Donald Trump said his nephew’s disabled son should be left to die!

Trump is a truly vile man who displays all the attributes of a fascist dictator. There really are no redeeming qualities.
I think the millions who voted for him latched onto certain policies that they felt strongly about i.e. deporting illegals immigrants, without realising that many of the other policies he is now putting into practise will harm them far more, as well as millions of others around the world.

And yet there are people who admire him, some on here suggesting that the UK should have such a man as him for PM!
He is despicable.

Despicable indeed!! and very dangerous.

Trump subscribes to the ‘might is right’ school of behaviour, like all bullies; therefore, he clearly sees vulnerable people as ‘lesser beings’.

And yet, as you say J52, there are people on here who applaud him and want the UK to have a leader like him. Unbelievable!

Source?

Indeed and fans of Farage who looks to Trump for his policies should think carefully about what they wish for. Reform (and some Tory MPs) would like to take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Those rights are incorporated into UK law through the Human Rights Act, including the right to life, freedom from torture, freedom of expression, right to a fair trial, respect for private life, freedom of religion, and protection from discrimination; essentially guaranteeing fundamental civil and political rights that can be enforced through the ECHR if violated by the UK government.

We should never forget that the UK was a founder signatory to the ECHR in 1951, drafted in the aftermath of the Second World War and the Holocaust in an attempt to protect the people from the State, to make sure the atrocities committed then would never be repeated.

Now that the USA has elected a fascist dictator as President who is aided and abetted by a fascist tech billionaire, people in the UK should hold very tightly onto the rights they have under the ECHR and never, ever vote for politicians who would remove those rights.



MayBee70

From what I’ve read about Trump he has a fear and loathing of any kind of disability .

Sounds like someone else in 1930s!

Take your pick "P53* just google Trump's attitude to disabled nephew and you will find lots to choose from.

Source for what Primrose53?

Regarding The Donald, I've always thought what a great pity it is that his mother never had an abortion! Same with Must or Moosk or whatever the idiots stupid name is!

imaround

He has absolutely no empathy.

He has shut down food help and medical care for Seniors and low income and plans an ethic cleansing in GAZA. A disabled family member is of no consequence to him.

He is, in my opinion, a psychopath.

I agree or a sociopath, he ticks all the boxes.

I doubt this will come as a great surprise to many of us.

In terms of disabled children/people, I very much value these people and feel that they add value to our lives.

Some stories about the way those born with disabilities cope with life and their achievements are inspirational

Primrose do you mean source for my OP?

Do you think I would make up something like that?!

Google it.

In terms of disabled children/people, I very much value these people and feel that they add value to our lives

Our very own NHS sees things differently - which is why they offer all pregnant women tests to check for Down’s syndrome ( and a couple of other syndromes ) and if these tests are positive they offer a free of charge termination.
something like 90% of parents do terminate a Down’s syndrome pregnancy.

What do you think of this NHS service?

Babs03

Trump is a truly vile man who displays all the attributes of a fascist dictator. There really are no redeeming qualities.
I think the millions who voted for him latched onto certain policies that they felt strongly about i.e. deporting illegals immigrants, without realising that many of the other policies he is now putting into practise will harm them far more, as well as millions of others around the world.

I agree, scary times and he just seems hellbent on signing as many (mainly damaging) executive orders as he possibly can in a daily basis.

Thank the lord that our legislation process is far more robust!

The assisted dying bill very clearly showed what society thinks of those with disabilities, I think this clearly demonstrates the problem, you have someone saying vile things or another group who enact legislation, ignoring all disability groups, which puts people with disabilities (particularly learning disabilities) at risk. Neither are the good guys.

Kandinsky

*In terms of disabled children/people, I very much value these people and feel that they add value to our lives*

Our very own NHS sees things differently - which is why they offer all pregnant women tests to check for Down’s syndrome ( and a couple of other syndromes ) and if these tests are positive they offer a free of charge termination.
something like 90% of parents do terminate a Down’s syndrome pregnancy.

What do you think of this NHS service?

I had later pregnancies child 1 born at 26, huge gap then child 2 at 39 and children 3 & 4 at 42 and 44, respectively.

I refused any invasive tests and for our last child took part in clinical trans, using just ultrasound, at University Hospital, for Downs Syndrome using measurements of both neck and nose.

We would never have aborted any of our children, whatever the reasons unless my life was at risk, but that’s our choice.

I guess other parents have their reasons to make their choices. It wouldn’t be for us, I don’t approve, but I do respect their right to choose.

Kandinsky

*In terms of disabled children/people, I very much value these people and feel that they add value to our lives*

Our very own NHS sees things differently - which is why they offer all pregnant women tests to check for Down’s syndrome ( and a couple of other syndromes ) and if these tests are positive they offer a free of charge termination.
something like 90% of parents do terminate a Down’s syndrome pregnancy.

What do you think of this NHS service?

It is a great service- and there is NO comparison at all. It is good to give people the choice, at an early stage, This is the humane thing to do, and not about the NHS saving money. Despicable comparison.

Galaxy

The assisted dying bill very clearly showed what society thinks of those with disabilities, I think this clearly demonstrates the problem, you have someone saying vile things or another group who enact legislation, ignoring all disability groups, which puts people with disabilities (particularly learning disabilities) at risk. Neither are the good guys.

The Assisted Dying Bill has nothing, but nothing at all, to do with euthanising disabled people, NOTHING AT ALL.

It is about giving a choice to those with terminal illness who do not want to go with the terminal and very painful, debilitating stage, and the loss of dignity and independence.

This man worships the dollar and all the power of money stands for so It’s no surprise that he has these views.

The disability rights groups opposed it, and for very good reasons. But the good guys have never paid any attention to them.
I hold a different view to you on it Claremont, and 'explaining' it to me or using bold capitals just makes me laugh.

This is the humane thing to do, and not about the NHS saving money

Not too sure about that. Disabled people will need more NHS care surely?

Claremont

Kandinsky

In terms of disabled children/people, I very much value these people and feel that they add value to our lives

Our very own NHS sees things differently - which is why they offer all pregnant women tests to check for Down’s syndrome ( and a couple of other syndromes ) and if these tests are positive they offer a free of charge termination.
something like 90% of parents do terminate a Down’s syndrome pregnancy.

What do you think of this NHS service?

It is a great service- and there is NO comparison at all. It is good to give people the choice, at an early stage, This is the humane thing to do, and not about the NHS saving money. Despicable comparison.

People born with Down syndrome lead happy productive lives. What is humane about saying they don't deserve to live? There used to be an attitude in the NHS that those with Down syndrome born with congenital heart defects shouldn't get corrective surgery. During Covid people with learning disabilities had DNRs slapped on them. I despise Trump and his attitude but don't pretend his disdain for disabled people is unique to him.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Has everyone forgotten how he mocked a reporter with a disability? How anyone could vote for someone like that is beyond me.

Apologies if I’ve derailed the thread talking about the NHS.
This thread is about Donald Trump.

Have a lovely day everyone.
( although it’s bloomin’ freezing here in London - and raining! )

Rosie51

I completely agree, in fact I think to terminate a pregnancy because your baby isn’t “perfect” is utterly inhumane!

However, again this is only the opinion of myself and my husband, we would have dealt with any disability any of our children had, ironically 3 out of our 5 do have additional needs, but none of which would have shown up in pregnancy.