Donald Trump said his nephew’s disabled son should be left to die!

Trump showed us his opinon on this when he mocked a journalist with a disability.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

JD Vance is good friends with a man called Curtis Yarvin. Here are his views on what he describes as 'not productive' people.

“convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.”

“The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass. However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative "

These are the sort of people Trump and Vance are/mix with.

I’m not pretending Trump’s disdain for disabled people is unique to him - I haven’t said that.

My OP is about a specific issue - what Donald Trump said to Fred Trump regarding his disabled son, as reported by Fred in his book and in interviews … not about the UK assisted dying bill.

ViceVersa

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Has everyone forgotten how he mocked a reporter with a disability? How anyone could vote for someone like that is beyond me.

Me too, the clip of him doing this, literally made me feel sick - vile, awful man who isn’t fit to run a bath, let alone a very powerful nation!

Churchview

Trump showed us his opinon on this when he mocked a journalist with a disability.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

JD Vance is good friends with a man called Curtis Yarvin. Here are his views on what he describes as 'not productive' people.

“convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.”

“The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass. However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative "

These are the sort of people Trump and Vance are/mix with.

Good grief! Sometimes, just when I think I’ve heard it all, something like this pops ups and shocks and chills me to the core.

Scary and very Nazi like!

I think lizzieDrip it’s the lack of compassion trump shows when speaking to a family member about a much loved son that says it all about him.

He just doesn’t understand that emotion.

Agreed Granniesunite.

Well, in Mr Trump's Brave New World, no woman will be allowed to terminate a pregnancy, however damaged the foetus, so it seems likely that more babies will be born with severe or complex needs..maybe Mr Trump thinks his suggestion is the solution to this.

Chocolatelovinggran

Well, in Mr Trump's Brave New World, no woman will be allowed to terminate a pregnancy, however damaged the foetus, so it seems likely that more babies will be born with severe or complex needs..maybe Mr Trump thinks his suggestion is the solution to this.

He’s bonkers, so absolutely no joined up thinking!

Kandinsky

*In terms of disabled children/people, I very much value these people and feel that they add value to our lives*

Our very own NHS sees things differently - which is why they offer all pregnant women tests to check for Down’s syndrome ( and a couple of other syndromes ) and if these tests are positive they offer a free of charge termination.
something like 90% of parents do terminate a Down’s syndrome pregnancy.

What do you think of this NHS service?

I think it is pro choice. What are you trying to imply?

HousePlantQueen

Kandinsky

In terms of disabled children/people, I very much value these people and feel that they add value to our lives

Our very own NHS sees things differently - which is why they offer all pregnant women tests to check for Down’s syndrome ( and a couple of other syndromes ) and if these tests are positive they offer a free of charge termination.
something like 90% of parents do terminate a Down’s syndrome pregnancy.

What do you think of this NHS service?

I think it is pro choice. What are you trying to imply?

I worked in a school with children with severe physical and cognitive disabilities.

In my opinion, actively keeping some of those children alive at birth where intervention was required amounted to abuse.

We cared for children in severe pain, without swallow reflexes, who constantly fitted and other dreadful pain filled conditions.

Under what universe would you condemn a poor child to be born into such a ghastly existence, when you had the ability to abort at a very early stage?

I would however just add, that once born those children deserve all the love and greatest care we are able to give them.

As well as every resource needed to achieve this care.

Kandinsky

*In terms of disabled children/people, I very much value these people and feel that they add value to our lives*

Our very own NHS sees things differently - which is why they offer all pregnant women tests to check for Down’s syndrome ( and a couple of other syndromes ) and if these tests are positive they offer a free of charge termination.
something like 90% of parents do terminate a Down’s syndrome pregnancy.

What do you think of this NHS service?

I worked in a Maternity unit when the more accurate test for Down's Syndrome became available. The 90% figure is accurate.
In the hospital I worked at, parents with a Down's diagnosis were treated with care and understanding but had to follow a process with health professionals before a termination was carried out.
It may have changed during the 5 years since I retired.
To answer your question. The service is needed to help those who for various reasons cannot face bringing a Down's baby into the world.

Imo and experience Downs children are often challenging, frequently a delight and can often live productive and useful lives. However, there is always the risk that the syndrome will be severe.

Parents should be able to make that choice at a very early stage in pregnancy as they may be entirely unequal to the challenge a Downs child brings.

You know I actually agree with you Whitewavemark2 Might be a first ! As you said, once born these children deserve all our love and care but you do wonder when they are born into a painful life whether life is worth it for them. 🙂

Also agree with everything Whitewavemark2 said.

Chocolatelovinggran

Well, in Mr Trump's Brave New World, no woman will be allowed to terminate a pregnancy, however damaged the foetus, so it seems likely that more babies will be born with severe or complex needs..maybe Mr Trump thinks his suggestion is the solution to this.

Well, that's a conundrum, isn't it!!

No logic or joined-up thinking involved , certainly.

Is the nephew Downs, or other disability. Does anyone know.

Claremont this is from Wikipedia:

His youngest child William has the genetic variant KCNQ2 and a seizure disorder, requiring a lifetime of care

I think the young man has a range of complex needs.

Claremont

Is the nephew Downs, or other disability. Does anyone know.

OP said: born with a genetic abnormality and, as a result, has severe physical and cognitive impairment.

Doesn't sound like Downs.

This is why he has stopped all foreign aid.. and Musk isn't any better rejecting his trans daughter

I’m not sure Trump is capable of logic or joined up thinking Allira. Is the US destined to have mass institutions where badly damaged babies and children, whose mothers were forced to deliver them but can’t cope with them, are sent and where Trump would presumably, given his lack of empathy, have them kept in dreadful conditions?

I agree WW.

Our NHS offers a pro-choice system for parents facing this difficult decision. I believe that’s the right approach - it must be up to the parents.

A termination would not be for me in that situation, but I fully understand and support those who would choose that route. I’m sure no-one would do it lightly.

If / when the child is born they deserve every bit of humane care available. Their life is just as precious as any other child. As in the case of Fred Trump’s son - he is much loved and treasured by his parents.

Sadly, not so by his great-uncle apparently.

Fred Trumps' son has parents who can afford the care help, and treatments.

Just read an article on Texas.

Texas abortion laws prohibit almost all abortions, with exceptions for cases where the mother's life or health is at risk. The laws also impose civil and criminal penalties for those who perform abortions.

Heart breaking waits and lack of care for children born with birth disabilities. Further cuts on the way with Trump cuts.

Cannot express how angry I feel.

I agree with WW as well. There are degrees of disability with Downs and often other physical problems. Not every parent is equipped to deal with this and may have other children to consider. It's a decision for the parents and as LizzieDrip says not one any parent takes lightly.
It does seem that Trump's decisions are counter productive.

I was pregnant at 39.my Consultant knew I wouldn't have amnio and was ok with it. I went for an appointment and he was called to an emergency so I was seen by his senior registrar(not sure if titles have changed this was over 30 years ago.). So he said I'd not had amnio and we needed to get it done fast as we were ",running out of time.". He meant for an abortion. I told him I wasn't having either. He shouted at me and mocked me saying I was scared of needles. The midwife intervened and stopped him. I left crying.

People say there will be no pressure assisted dying. Yes right and pigs will fly and the Easter bunny is real.