J D Vance Munich address today.

I understand that you love Mr Vance's stance on immigration and free speech.
How are you with his opposition to all forms of abortion including the morning after pill, even following rape, and his plans to limit availability to contraception?

Mamie... could be true.

Where would we be without them FGT? Better off.

For some Folk, Chocolatelovinggran, the only issue is immigration.

OK, Trump allegedly ‘thinks outside the box’ and wants a new world order.

Here’s an idea.

Europe (including the UK) tell Trump et al to p* off. We form a European Army to protect ourselves against Putin’s future aggression.

We trade across Europe (there’s 28 countries) and we negotiate trade deals with China / Canada / India. So Trump can stick his tariffs where the sun don’t shine. Europe DOES NOT trade with the US. We’ll manage without Teslas!

In this new world order America no longer calls the shots because it ain’t putting any money in. So, we tell America to remove its military bases from European soil - immediately! We no longer need, or want, American protection!

If Trump wants a new world order… let’s give him one!

Bravo!

Actually, if you read posts from Canada, the ordinary Folk are starting to do just that.
I mean, do we really want toxic chlorinated chicken?

Sago

I really feel the tide is turning.

I feel that too, but I think it’s going to take a few months before Americans feel the impact and see what a huge mistake they made electing Trump, it’s to the good for the UK though, it reduces the risk of us moving right because our electorate will can the impact of his policies on ordinary peoples lives there.

Chocolatelovinggran

I understand that you love Mr Vance's stance on immigration and free speech.
How are you with his opposition to all forms of abortion including the morning after pill, even following rape, and his plans to limit availability to contraception?

I do not agree with Vance re abortion just as I do not agree with Farage, Badenoch or Starmer on everything.

I just loved the key point, the elephant in the room or as he put it “ the enemy from within”.

There are many of us out here who feel exactly as I do and I believe we are welcoming our enemies, feeding, educating, homing and clothing them.

Then people act surprised when they turn against us.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

woodenspoon

It’s not stirring the pot. It’s called having an alternative point of view and being allowed to air it. That’s freedom of speech.

Is it like this 'freedom of speech'?

Pentagon school libraries closed so that the thought police freedom of speech lovers can weed out books containing banned words and ideas.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/13/pentagon-schools-closed-libraries-trump

I don't know how you lot manage to live with the hypocrisy

Wake up and smell the coffee.

I think it's time people woke up and smelled the sewage that's coming out of the USA

MaizieD

^Wake up and smell the coffee.^

I think it's time people woke up and smelled the sewage that's coming out of the USA

I think it shows how disenfranchised some of the UK electorate are with our home grown politicians.

Agreed MaizieD. Not forgetting the list of banned words … very ‘free speech’!

MaizieD

woodenspoon

It’s not stirring the pot. It’s called having an alternative point of view and being allowed to air it. That’s freedom of speech.

Is it like this 'freedom of speech'?

Pentagon school libraries closed so that the thought police freedom of speech lovers can weed out books containing banned words and ideas.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/13/pentagon-schools-closed-libraries-trump

I don't know how you lot manage to live with the hypocrisy

You’ve lost the plot. I was replying to another poster and was commenting on my right, and those of others, to disagree. Sorry if that offends you. And your own hypocrisy.

MaizieD

^Wake up and smell the coffee.^

I think it's time people woke up and smelled the sewage that's coming out of the USA

It’s Kopi Luwak. Tastes good until you understand its origins.

Book banning? Lists of banned words? No women in key positions? Flying Nazi flags perfectly OK? Abortion illegal? Ignoring the law?

What lovely people they are who support that sort of thing... 🙄

I can't believe what I'm reading on here. Trump "the new sheriff in town" according to Vance is being applauded for being a dictator. Why would women think the misogynist, Vance will do anything good for women.

woodenspoon

MaizieD

woodenspoon

It’s not stirring the pot. It’s called having an alternative point of view and being allowed to air it. That’s freedom of speech.

Is it like this 'freedom of speech'?

Pentagon school libraries closed so that the thought police freedom of speech lovers can weed out books containing banned words and ideas.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/13/pentagon-schools-closed-libraries-trump

I don't know how you lot manage to live with the hypocrisy

You’ve lost the plot. I was replying to another poster and was commenting on my right, and those of others, to disagree. Sorry if that offends you. And your own hypocrisy.

We don't have private conversations on threads.

My comment was part of that lovely 'freedom of speech'.

This is the UK, not Trump's US

Oh so the left arent in favour of censoring speech now, that's good to hear.

It’s not a private conversation dear. I replied to a post. You’ve replied to mine in the same way. Rules for me but not for thee?

“Europe (including the UK) tell Trump et al to p* off. We form a European Army to protect ourselves against Putin’s future aggression.”

The US had to come to the aid of Europe twice last century and defended us throughout the Cold War when the USSR was really aggressive.

Be very careful what you wish for, I really don’t have much confidence of Unity in Europe.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

It was refreshing to hear the unvarnished truth spoken by a politician. Are Vance and Trump the only politicians in the world who tell the truth?

Where would we be without them?

It's crucial to critically examine the accuracy and potential consequences of their statements. Just because something is said bluntly doesn't make it true. Vance and Trump are selectively highlighting certain facts while ignoring others, or even presenting outright falsehoods under the guise of 'telling it like it is.'

Even if they occasionally speak uncomfortable truths, the way they deliver those truths sets out to be divisive, harmful, or unproductive. Do the perceived benefits of their 'truth-telling' outweigh the potential damage caused by their words and actions? Surely we should be asking ourselves: are they truly serving the public good, or are they simply promoting their own agendas under the guise of honesty? Outsiders focus, on what they consider to be a truth, should not be an excuse for allowing harmful rhetoric or policies.

Yet again we come back to "where is the critical thinking in such posts.

That was a different America though wasn't it David49.

This America is making it very clear that our ongoing "friendship" relies upon us following their rules.
Given the way things are going there now we will have to lose a lot of what we consider our civilized, evolved, modern society to win their support. The lot of women, disabled, the sick, poor and ethnic people in the USA is looking pretty dire from here.

With regard to the truth of Vance's words, he put a very specific spin on the Adam Smith-Connor story.

Smith-Connor wasn't just a bereft man having a quiet pray for a son (who'd died 22 years previously) outside of the abortion clinic . He knew he wasn't meant to be doing it, there were posters telling him not to - he did it repeatedly - every time he did it he wrote to the council the day before he went to t tell them he was going to do it. On the day he was arrested police spent 40 minutes asking him if he would move on before he the arrest.

He might have been grieving the loss of his son, but he was also out to break the rules and to do so publicly time and time again.

Vance gave no hint of that.

Well, what was all that hoohah about seizing back control and protecting our sovereignty if so many of you are going to start drooling over a rather odious American man who gives a speech that dictates to the UK and Europe how to run their countries, pointing out where we have been going wrong all along. A man slammed in the past for being anti semitic and racist among other things.
Perhaps those of you so beguiled by this piece of work simply because he speaks out against migrants and champions freedom of racist speech, would be perfectly happy to let the US run our affairs, dictating how our democracy should be run.
Tbh you need to think a bit above the ‘I’m against migration’ populist baloney and put the UK first, not America.