J D Vance Munich address today.

Yes I agree, Europe for far too long has got away with not playing their part in forming a properly funded defence alliance -- relying on others to do the job.

The more I hear from JD Vance, the more I like him.

It was refreshing to hear the unvarnished truth spoken by a politician. Are Vance and Trump the only politicians in the world who tell the truth?

Where would we be without them?

🤣

And how refreshing to have a thread which isn’t tearing lumps out of the Trump administration.

He demonstrated a frighteningly low understanding of the dynamics of world politics, and promoted a right wing, USA-centric view of the world. If that’s your thing, you’d like him.

Casdon

He demonstrated a frighteningly low understanding of the dynamics of world politics, and promoted a right wing, USA-centric view of the world. If that’s your thing, you’d like him.

I’m oh dear, that didn’t take long!

Sago

Casdon

He demonstrated a frighteningly low understanding of the dynamics of world politics, and promoted a right wing, USA-centric view of the world. If that’s your thing, you’d like him.

I’m oh dear, that didn’t take long!

Post trash and you get trash back Sago. You know how it works!

Vance? Isn't he the idiot who claimed that immigrants were eating people's pet cats?
Did he believe that, or is he just a liar?

I agree with you Sago. The elephant or elephants in the room were no longer ignored.

I agree with Sago too. Sometimes, tell it like it is is the only way.

I find it really hard to understand the mindset of the few GN members who still, despite news reports and first hand reports, still think that Trump and his associates are the "good guys". Or are you just stirring the pot?

Either way, I am out of this thread, those supporting him are either fools (other words are available) or making fun out of a serious subject. I shall leave you to your silly little echo chamber

I think British and European politicians have betrayed the whole continent. I doubt any will be held accountable for the scale of the damage they’ve caused but there’s just a glimmer of hope that people will wake up and stop voting for these rotten liberals. Thank you to JDV for telling them they’re on notice.

No need to announce your departure!

I'm just grateful that Trump is getting rid of trans women partaking in women's sports. About time too.

Thank you HPQ remind me to return the favour on ‘other’ congratulatory threads in due course. ✔️

It’s not stirring the pot. It’s called having an alternative point of view and being allowed to air it. That’s freedom of speech.

That’s just what Vance said Woodenspoon

Well he’s not wrong is he?

I really feel the tide is turning.

A man is given the opportunity to speak freely to the whole of Europe on a subject of his choosing.

He says lack of free speech is the biggest problem Europe faces.

I never thought I would hear an American stand up in Germany and tell Europe to give a freer rein to a far right party.

He was kind of apologising for Russia too. They're not the problem, you are. Their interference in your democratic processes isn't really an issue. Why would he do that?

A 'friend' who was telling us that it's America's way - or you're on your own. At least we know where we stand.

So, what is the damage that has been done to the 'continent'? It's much better here than in Gaza, Russia, North Korea, Sudan, DRC.
Actually, I think you are just having fun winding us up. You cannot seriously believe President Musk and his hackers are beavering away for the benefit of the ordinary citizens of the USA? Has the price of eggs gone down yet?

Well Russia loved his speech.

"It was very nice to hear Vance's very strong speech," says a correspondent on Rossiya 1, one of Russia’s most-watched TV stations.

“It was a public caning, I can't call it anything else. It was also nice to watch the faces of those listening to him," Asya Yemelyanova goes on, laughingly.

For particular praise, she singles out JD Vance’s remarks that he’s worried about “the threat from within” rather than Russian or Chinese interference in Europe.

Yemelyanova also echoes the US vice-president’s assertion that democracy and free speech are declining in Europe.

This sentiment was always going to go down well with Russian commentators - after all, this is what Kremlin-controlled TV has been saying for years.

From the BBC website.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

It was refreshing to hear the unvarnished truth spoken by a politician. Are Vance and Trump the only politicians in the world who tell the truth?

Where would we be without them?

Who is this "we" FriedGreenTomatoes2
Unless you are a wealthy American, Trump is not on your side.

Funnily enough, I often think of the song in Alice in Wonderland....
She only does it to annoy because she knows it teases.....