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Trump: All American or Closet Communist?

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mae13 Thu 20-Feb-25 03:19:24

President Trump appears to have TWO puppet masters - Elon Musk and Vladimir Putin.
I thought it was just Musk's money giving him traction in White House affairs on the premise of Making America Great Again........but, on the current showing, Trump seems to have been a Communist all along, a solid disciple of all things Putin, willing to be manipulated by the Kremlin.

This is a curious position for an American President, supposedly the Leader of The Free World to allow himself to be in.

My thought is: what's in it for Donald Trump and do all those who voted for him endorse his current support for Vladimir Putin and, it must follow, Communism?

IOMGran Thu 20-Feb-25 17:02:06

mae13

President Trump appears to have TWO puppet masters - Elon Musk and Vladimir Putin.
I thought it was just Musk's money giving him traction in White House affairs on the premise of Making America Great Again........but, on the current showing, Trump seems to have been a Communist all along, a solid disciple of all things Putin, willing to be manipulated by the Kremlin.

This is a curious position for an American President, supposedly the Leader of The Free World to allow himself to be in.

My thought is: what's in it for Donald Trump and do all those who voted for him endorse his current support for Vladimir Putin and, it must follow, Communism?

Do you really think Putin is a Communist?

Elegran Thu 20-Feb-25 17:08:31

I wish I could rember the name of a short Science Fiction story I read once. It was about the birth of a baby boy who had strange powers. His intelligence was very low, but he could read minds, he could make things happen just with the power of thought, and he could hurt people just by using his anger.

At first, it was just his mother who suffered, getting pain if his least wish for milk wasn't granted at once, and as he grew stronger, so did the pain he could induce whenever he was angry, until he killed her. Others undertook his care, but they were punished too if they didn't instantly do his will, or even had angry thoughts about him. The cemetery filled up with people who had crossed him, or imagined crossing him.

Some neighbours tried to kill him, but he read their minds and despatched them. Outsiders made plans too, but he could read their intention - or even the intention of someone who planned that someone else would carry a bomb with a clear mind because he didn't know that he was the assassination tool - and once he discovered where they came from, he made their part of the country vanish with all it contained.

This continued until all that was left was his own village, populated by those who did everything he wanted. The cemetery now had no space at all, which someone explained to him. So he sent the corpses of people who annoyed hm to under the cornfield, where they helped grow the corn which was the only food for the few villagers that were left. The village and cornfield were surrounded by a cliff, with absolutely nothing outside that - he had willed everywhere and everyone else into oblivion.

I don't remember any happy ending - I suspect there wasn't one - but at the time the thought of someone having absolute power without either the intelligence or the empathy to use it in a humanitarian way made me shudder.

imaround Thu 20-Feb-25 17:12:23

Nothing about Trump is "All American". This isn't baseball.

Trump is an authoritarian dictator that is destroying the Constitution of the United States.

There is literally nothing more anti-American then taking apart the founding document of the United States and installing himself as King, which he proclaimed himself yesterday on social media.

Norah Thu 20-Feb-25 19:29:40

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvR8E2i-FfM

Dickens Fri 21-Feb-25 01:14:13

Look at the fool Musk wielding a chainsaw to make a point at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0q1z88gvv7t

He behaves more like a bad actor in a 'all-action' B movie...

The final question of Elon Musk's CPAC interview was a request to "paint us a picture of inside the mind of a genius".

He answered the question by talking about his South Africa upbringing and being influenced by US culture, reading "comic books" and playing "Dungeons and Dragons".

When he was finished, he grabbed the shiny red chainsaw laying in front of his feet and raised it above his head, and was met with a standing ovation from the crowd.

The air must have been heavy with the scent of alpha-male testosterone. If I'm not mistaken, the inscription on the blade of the chainsaw reads "Make America Great Again".

Oh my days...

imaround Fri 21-Feb-25 03:20:31

Oh did you see Steve Bannon's "salute" at CPAC Dickens?

Dickens Fri 21-Feb-25 07:21:20

imaround

Oh did you see Steve Bannon's "salute" at CPAC Dickens?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/steve-bannon-cpac-nazi-salute-b2702063.html

Yes.

And I listened in part to his "rousing" speech where he was lauding Trump calling for a third-term.

As a child, I used to watch films featuring James Cagney as a gangster - Bannon reminds me of him.

Keep us updated!

Iam64 Fri 21-Feb-25 08:06:48

Trump isn’t a communist, neither is Putin. Putin rules as a dictator and that’s what Trump wants. Remember his rambling comments during the election campaign - you’ll never have to do this again he said

TheatreLover Fri 21-Feb-25 08:13:41

Elegran

I wish I could rember the name of a short Science Fiction story I read once. It was about the birth of a baby boy who had strange powers. His intelligence was very low, but he could read minds, he could make things happen just with the power of thought, and he could hurt people just by using his anger.

At first, it was just his mother who suffered, getting pain if his least wish for milk wasn't granted at once, and as he grew stronger, so did the pain he could induce whenever he was angry, until he killed her. Others undertook his care, but they were punished too if they didn't instantly do his will, or even had angry thoughts about him. The cemetery filled up with people who had crossed him, or imagined crossing him.

Some neighbours tried to kill him, but he read their minds and despatched them. Outsiders made plans too, but he could read their intention - or even the intention of someone who planned that someone else would carry a bomb with a clear mind because he didn't know that he was the assassination tool - and once he discovered where they came from, he made their part of the country vanish with all it contained.

This continued until all that was left was his own village, populated by those who did everything he wanted. The cemetery now had no space at all, which someone explained to him. So he sent the corpses of people who annoyed hm to under the cornfield, where they helped grow the corn which was the only food for the few villagers that were left. The village and cornfield were surrounded by a cliff, with absolutely nothing outside that - he had willed everywhere and everyone else into oblivion.

I don't remember any happy ending - I suspect there wasn't one - but at the time the thought of someone having absolute power without either the intelligence or the empathy to use it in a humanitarian way made me shudder.

Was the story 'It's a Good Life', written by Jerome Bixby'?

Elegran Fri 21-Feb-25 09:14:17

It could be, TheatreLover I don't remember. It was a long time ago.

Elegran Fri 21-Feb-25 09:19:57

That is it! I've found several references to it AND the full text is at www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/j4907/its_a_good_life_by_jerome_bixby_full_text_classic/

Claremont Fri 21-Feb-25 09:25:09

Thanks for this.

Grandmabatty Fri 21-Feb-25 09:28:00

When will the American political system do something about the blatant attacks on the constitution? Can they take action against Trump and Musk? It's a failing in the system surely that doesn't have a fail safe.

Dickens Fri 21-Feb-25 10:53:56

Grandmabatty

When will the American political system do something about the blatant attacks on the constitution? Can they take action against Trump and Musk? It's a failing in the system surely that doesn't have a fail safe.

When will the American political system do something about the blatant attacks on the constitution?

Who, in the 'political system' is going to dare?

AS VP Vance suggested, judges do not have authority over the Trump administration's executive power.

"Judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power," he wrote on X.

All it takes to amend an Amendment to the Constitution is a super-majority of Americans in favour, and that doesn't look like an impossibility.

The opposition to Trump has got to come from outside the USA, from nations over which he might have economic power but not legislative power. He is going to attempt to make life difficult for those countries he needs to bend to his will and who refuse - they will have to challenge him in ways that affect the American economy, directly or indirectly, that's the only way his fanatics and admirers will begin to doubt him.

t the moment I think he sees himself (and others see him) as the Messiah (some Americans genuinely believe that God has chosen him to 'save' America) and he's created this climate of 'MAGA religious fervour' and it's difficult to convince zealots that their 'saviour' isn't ordained by God. Just look how successful American Christian evangelists have been historically. Trump is a political evangelist.

farmgran Fri 21-Feb-25 10:55:27

Trump is a Fascist along with his evil friend Musk. They are both evil and mad and Trump is not mentally well enough to run a cake stall let alone a country!

Dickens Fri 21-Feb-25 11:26:39

I watched footage of a joint press conference where Trump and Musk were being interviewed by Fox News' Sean Hannity - at one point, Musk talked over the president, cutting him off as he sat hunched over the Resolute desk nodding in agreement.

X is now awash with comments along the lines of "Trump should hush when the President is speaking"...

What a difficult position for Trump - he needs Musk's money, but I can't think he'll like the idea of him attracting more air-time and attention than himself, and I'm sure his aides and advisers have noticed.

Namsnanny Fri 21-Feb-25 11:26:45

MaizieD

What century are you living in? Russia is not a communist state. Russian communism died in the 1980s.

Russia purports to be a multiparty democratic state, although it is in fact a dictatorship.

Russia has a ‘mixed economy’ in the same way that many other countries have a mix of public and private sectors.

This continual portrayal of Russia as communist is complete nonsense.

It is.

Namsnanny Fri 21-Feb-25 11:33:19

Dickens

I think Trump would negotiate with the Devil himself if he thought it necessary to promote MAGA/ Donald Trump.

In 2019, he told a reporter from Russian TV (Russia 24 - state owned), that he thought Putin was a "great guy" then waffled a bit about a 'good meeting' and trade between the two 'great countries', ending with "he is a terrific person". Not to mention "talented"... and a "good person".

If it suits, he can find 'good' in any leader -whatever political system he presides over (Russia of course is now a 'democracy') so I'm sure he could find redeeming qualities in anyone - dictator, oligarch, megalomaniac - a minor consideration if that person can make Trump look good on the world stage.

This is all true in my experience.
I've heard him say exactly the same about Prince Harry(and P William too)🤣 leaving out the trade part obviously.

M0nica Fri 21-Feb-25 12:01:23

One of the papers this morning suggested that Trumps animosity towards Zelinsky is based on envy. Zelensky is seen to possess everything Trump does not have; courageous, inspiring, attractive and virile. Zelensky has majority support at home and is seen as a hero wherever freedom is cherished. Zelenskys charisma and decency rattles Trump (I quote)'

Elsewhere the article says 'Putin long ago recognised that Trump's most sensitive errogenous zone was his ego, and he has been stroking it assiduously ever since.'

Claremont Fri 21-Feb-25 12:09:21

And Farage's.

knspol Fri 21-Feb-25 12:16:09

M0nica

There is nothing wrong with Trump that a diagnosis of mental frailty and a personality disorder would not explain.

Unfortunately at the moment the inmate is running the assylum.

Hear, hear!

knspol Fri 21-Feb-25 12:23:03

When all this first blew up I really thought that Trump was just waffling as usual and that he would never go ahead with peace talks without Zelensky. He seems to be completely in thrall to Putin, I still can't actually think that he believes whatever spin Putin must be placing on this.
Does he want Putin on his side rather than with China? Is he afraid of Putin? Is he using this as an eventual route to leave NATO? Above all will European backing for Ukraine fizzle away in order to avoid another war?

Elegran Fri 21-Feb-25 12:45:18

A heartfelt speech by the governor of Illinois.
www.facebook.com/reel/975762767468354

Churchview Fri 21-Feb-25 13:48:28

imaround

Oh did you see Steve Bannon's "salute" at CPAC Dickens?

That is a clear and obvious Nazi salute.

As for Musk wielding a chainsaw - well what we're seeing now is government by a tech brotherhood with incel level emotional intelligence.

What sort of person goes to watch stuff like this?
No thinking person could possibly defend this behaviour.

Churchview Fri 21-Feb-25 13:50:22

Will Farage turn up to CPAC after this?
If he does, by God it's an indication of where he stands.