Zelensky - is Trump ousting him out to make way for a Putin choice?

M0nica

I have just read an incredible speech by the Danish Prime Minister. She told Trump in no uncertain terms that Europe was onside with Zelensky and the Ukrainians.
www.kyivpost.com/post/47799

That was a week ago. As we know, a week is a long time in politics

Hungary would be a huge obstacle, Italy was totally opposed to sending soldiers.

But all that is irrelevant now.

None of this detracts from this remarkable and direct speech. Europe is an area that stretches beyond the EU and if they can come together to support Ukraine, a lot is possible.

M0nica

None of this detracts from this remarkable and direct speech. Europe is an area that stretches beyond the EU and if they can come together to support Ukraine, a lot is possible.

Denmark has good reasons to talk tough with Trumps ambitions over Greenland , you wouldn’t expect anything different. At the end of the day they will fall in-line with the rest of Europe

Or perhaps the rest of Europe will fall in with Denmark?

Something I wonder, since Putin has no intention of giving up his view that Ukraine is part of Russia is
Does Trump think Putin will sign away rights to Ukraine minerals etc in the way he expects Zelensky to do?

Putin is playing Trump as a fool. Trump thinks he's respected by Putin, nothing is further from the truth and Putin will renege on any deal he makes with Trump.

foxie48

Putin is playing Trump as a fool. Trump thinks he's respected by Putin, nothing is further from the truth and Putin will renege on any deal he makes with Trump.

Trump has already decided to sacrifice Ukraine, he does not want a war with Russia, everything else is window dressing.

Putin must think Trump is a moron. Mind you, most of us do!

David the US has been supporting Ukraine's defence against Russia's invasion since it started and there has been no evidence that it's brought Europe or the US closer to war with Russia. What it has done is prevent a much bigger country taking over it's smaller neighbour. It's Trump's change of tack that's bringing war in Europe closer.

I notice that Trump is threatening to send enough arms to Israel to finish the job ( Trump's words) . Doesn't sound as if he wants to stop there but of course he's keen to take over Gaza to turn it into a holiday resort! What a lovely man he is!

Stop the killing, duh!

David49

M0nica

None of this detracts from this remarkable and direct speech. Europe is an area that stretches beyond the EU and if they can come together to support Ukraine, a lot is possible.

Denmark has good reasons to talk tough with Trumps ambitions over Greenland , you wouldn’t expect anything different. At the end of the day they will fall in-line with the rest of Europe

You seem to have little love for your own country or its allies. Or am I misreading the constant thread running through your posts?

foxie48

Putin is playing Trump as a fool. Trump thinks he's respected by Putin, nothing is further from the truth and Putin will renege on any deal he makes with Trump.

True. And if Trump imagines that - should Ukraine fall - he will be allowed to share any rich pickings, then he's in for a shock.

Putin wants 100% - and it'll be two political fingers to Trump.

I’m not so sure, if USA wanted to, it could beat Russia in its current weakened state, if it was just those two powers involved. The big risk of course is that it wouldn’t be.

But Casdon, Putin will renege in a way that doesn't affect the US and Trump will ignore it. It's Ukraine's safety that is at risk here not the US that is why everyone wants a US back stop, to protect Ukraine.

Casdon

I’m not so sure, if USA wanted to, it could beat Russia in its current weakened state, if it was just those two powers involved. The big risk of course is that it wouldn’t be.

The US could beat Russia hands down anytime it wanted to.What we have all seen is how useless Russia is in Ukraine.

Not that Trump wants an argument with Russia, he likes Putin too much.

I know foxie48, I’m not saying it would happen, just that if the USA wanted to take on Russia 1-1 the USA would win, and Russia understands that. I don’t actually think Russia would want to challenge a US mining deal in Ukraine if that’s the way the settlement goes.

Oreo

Casdon

I’m not so sure, if USA wanted to, it could beat Russia in its current weakened state, if it was just those two powers involved. The big risk of course is that it wouldn’t be.

The US could beat Russia hands down anytime it wanted to.What we have all seen is how useless Russia is in Ukraine.

This is very dangerous talk, there are 3 uncertainties.

Russia could strike western European targets, its not possible to protect every target in Europe, do you want a missile hitting your house.

China could supply Russia with armaments, or even worse strike Taiwan, NATO would be in trouble very quickly, munitions are already depleted.

Russia could make a nuclear strike.

Escalating the Ukraine war is very dangerous talk

I think that American personnel in Ukraine would deter Russia. If they killed even one American citizen "there would be hell to pay" as Trump says. I doubt they would risk that and take the deal that Trump has offered.

Calm down , we can discuss the world situation without it being labelled ‘dangerous’.

David49

Oreo

Casdon

I’m not so sure, if USA wanted to, it could beat Russia in its current weakened state, if it was just those two powers involved. The big risk of course is that it wouldn’t be.

The US could beat Russia hands down anytime it wanted to.What we have all seen is how useless Russia is in Ukraine.

This is very dangerous talk, there are 3 uncertainties.

Russia could strike western European targets, its not possible to protect every target in Europe, do you want a missile hitting your house.

China could supply Russia with armaments, or even worse strike Taiwan, NATO would be in trouble very quickly, munitions are already depleted.

Russia could make a nuclear strike.

Escalating the Ukraine war is very dangerous talk

Dabid49 you really don’t need to speak to us as if we were children with less understanding of the dynamics than you. Of course the dangers are understood, we aren’t 8 year olds having a classroom discussion, and don’t appreciate being condescended to.

I think Trump doesn’t give a flying fig about the Ukraine or any other part of Europe. He is more interested in his real ‘enemy’ which is currently China. It’s called jealousy - a falling power v a rising power.

I think both the USA and China are aiming to get world domination through AI.. I don't think in the long run that Russia is a contender for that but it might destroy underwater cables through force..

Casdon

David49

Oreo

Casdon

I’m not so sure, if USA wanted to, it could beat Russia in its current weakened state, if it was just those two powers involved. The big risk of course is that it wouldn’t be.

The US could beat Russia hands down anytime it wanted to.What we have all seen is how useless Russia is in Ukraine.

This is very dangerous talk, there are 3 uncertainties.

Russia could strike western European targets, its not possible to protect every target in Europe, do you want a missile hitting your house.

China could supply Russia with armaments, or even worse strike Taiwan, NATO would be in trouble very quickly, munitions are already depleted.

Russia could make a nuclear strike.

Escalating the Ukraine war is very dangerous talk

Dabid49 you really don’t need to speak to us as if we were children with less understanding of the dynamics than you. Of course the dangers are understood, we aren’t 8 year olds having a classroom discussion, and don’t appreciate being condescended to.

Then stop behaving like children