Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Government

If the deputy speaker of the Knesset actually said those things he should have been immediately booted out. The fact that he wasn't speaks volumes about Netanyahu. These people are bad for Israel and are awaiting their chances to get rid of the Palestinians from Gaza and yes it would be genocide.

Quote Smileless2012 Wed 26-Feb-25 11:30:18
We know that's how they voted Annie but we also know, or should know, that you don't always get what you voted for.

Yes I know that surely Israel knew of Netanyahu ?

The incumbent prime minister of Israel is Benjamin Netanyahu, -who assumed office on 29 December 2022. He also held the office from 1996 to 1999 and from 2009 to 2021.

And Palestine surely knew of Hamas

A cease and desist letter has been issued to Netanyahu by the murdered mother and children’s family because he going against their express wishes by showing graphic pictures of the little ones bodies.

He is a monster.

Yes but! anger can cause much

Anniebach

Yes but! anger can cause much

Showing pictures of little murdered children is fine if you are angry?
He really is a despicable monster.

All I can find is photograph of murdered after Muslim attack in 2023, a link to the 2025 please

I don’t think something has been lost in translation, would that this could be the truth. No, I imagine the Deputy Speaker was only voicing what many in the Knesset actually feel.
And his words take me right back to much darker days in 1930s Germany.
Absolutely horrifying.

Anniebach

Yes but! anger can cause much

Indeed Annie. On both sides.

Anniebach

Quote Smileless2012 Wed 26-Feb-25 11:30:18
We know that's how they voted Annie but we also know, or should know, that you don't always get what you voted for.

Yes I know that surely Israel knew of Netanyahu ?

The incumbent prime minister of Israel is Benjamin Netanyahu, -who assumed office on 29 December 2022. He also held the office from 1996 to 1999 and from 2009 to 2021.

And Palestine surely knew of Hamas

Good points on both sides.

Whitewavemark2

A cease and desist letter has been issued to Netanyahu by the murdered mother and children’s family because he going against their express wishes by showing graphic pictures of the little ones bodies.

He is a monster.

He is a monster, but what happened by Hamas was also monstrous.

Showing photos of murdered children is despicable, simply done to prove a point.

When one side demonises the other and can no longer see human beings but simply something to be disposed of by whatever means possible, we reach this point, with both sides viewing the other in a similar way.
But only one side has the might to actually do this, with the support of the US. So it is doing it.

Cossy

Well, he’s a lovely man!

Nothing new there, the Israeli govt (not the people) are as bad as Hamas. Both want to entirely wipe out the others population. Disgusting!

Yes, many of us know this. But many do not believe us- but when this is said in The House, by the Deputy Speaker, so high ranking politician, and Netanyahu and others just do not stop him, do not counter him, and just silence, then it is hard to refute.

You want proof of Netanyahu showing pictures of the family who have specifically asked him to cease and desist?

Here is the photo of him doing just that in the Times of Israel first google search not some false accusation.

Its disgusting. Look for yourself.

www.timesofisrael.com/bibas-family-tells-netanyahu-to-shut-up-as-he-details-the-murders-of-shiri-ariel-and-kfir/

"Publishing unapproved information is ‘abuse for its own sake,’ says Ofri Bibas, hours after Netanyahu publicly gives graphic details for 2nd time this week despite family’s request"

I asked for proof of the following allegation

Quote Whitewavemark2 Wed 26-Feb-25 11:57:05
A cease and desist letter has been issued to Netanyahu by the murdered mother and children’s family because he going against their express wishes by showing graphic pictures of the little ones bodies.

He is a monster.

Hamas and supporters are the true monsters.

A monster is a monster Oreo whether they be Hamas or Netanyahu.

Quote Oreo Wed 26-Feb-25 14:11:06
Hamas and supporters are the true monsters.

Yes Oreo very few here believe it, a post criticising Israel is met with much agreement. A post criticising Hamas which is a
Palestine terrorist group is met with ‘Yes But’

Or between Hamas and Netanyahu which is not true

It doesn’t matter to me what any poster says, whether false accusations of being an apologist or anything else but it is worrying when a poster Whitewavemark2 in this instance now says she doesn’t think Jews should have their own state, granted this is one poster only but it’s exactly what hamas and most Palestinians think and say.
Imagine if England were Israel, Scotland was Lebanon and Wales was Gaza.One night extremists who also were the governing body from Wales crossed the border and cruelly massacred over a thousand English people and took over two hundred as hostages back to Wales.At the same time extremists in Scotland got busy with missiles and bombarded England in sympathy with Wales.That’s after years of both Wales and Scotland committing hostile acts towards England. Can you imagine not only the actions of us here in England against these countries but the harsh words in Parliament against them. When the government in Wales said constantly that every English person needed wiping from the planet.

There is a right wing extreme view from some, a very few, in the Israeli government that goes too far in their views and language but as long as that is kept in check in action that’s what matters.

Why cant we accept that in war, especially with the complex history of this one, both "sides" have done things that can be criticised?

And accept that, work with it, not by retreating into
"but its all the other sides fault"?

Time and time again I have made it absolutely clear that I cannot support Hamas's actions yet do have concerns for the innocents in Gaza, and I support the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace but cannot condone all its actions?

and the answer to the latter is "but Hamas........etc etc

I think it's becoming increasingly clear that Israel will clear the West Bank of Palestinians, release prisoners back to Gaza and then renew bombing.. with the explicit aim of destroying Gaza and all within it.. I don't think there will be a next phase in the peace agreement.. and certainly not a two state solution.

It matters to me what is said because so much is the same as in Germany in the 30’s , people wanted to believe Jews were the cause of financial worries, not true but fed over years then
gas chambers

The contentious issue that I feel is not answered, is should it be right for Israel to slowly advance and take over chunks of the West Bank - surely this is "Action" not kept in check?

Why would they want to do so ?

GrannyGravy13

If this is as you have posted, I am appalled, and utterly lost for words.

Up till now I have supported Israel’s right to defend its citizens and to attack those who wish to destroy or harm them.

Human beings having equal worth wherever / to whomoever they are born, if you support Israel's rights to attack those who wish to destroy them, you presumably support palestinian's right to attack those who wish to destroy them too.
Hamas do have a long-standing objective to see all of "historic Palestine" back in palestinian hands. But about 10 years ago they modified that (they know realistically it will never happen). Their interim objective, that they have been working for in recent years, is for palestinians to hold east jerusalem, gaza and the west Bank free of israeli occupation.The UN has always agreed (in word if not in deed) with this objective.
People take "from the river to the sea" as chanted by palestiains, as a desire for Israeli genocide. I don't think it is, it's certainly not as explicit as Rami Abdul Gomi's rant.
The west bank is on the river, Gaza is on the sea & they want them to be free.

That action, in creeping building work in the WestBank by Israeli settlers isn’t being checked in my view as it acts as a buffer zone.It isn’t right to be building houses there ( and it’s the last place I’d want to live).