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Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

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Claremont Tue 18-Mar-25 18:43:30

- without warning, in the middle of the night- in the middle of Ramadan.

NOTHING.

Anniebach Wed 19-Mar-25 09:07:31

Quote ayse Wed 19-Mar-25 08:55:39
Anniebach
It’s clear to me Israel wants to clear the land of Terrorists , should they wait for more repeats of October 2023 ?
So babies and children are terrorists? Or just collateral damage?

Do explain what were the two babies and their mother taken as
hostages by Hamas ?

Oreo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:11:22

Everything is down to hamas, what they did and what they continue to do.It won’t stop until they give up what little power they have left.

foxie48 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:16:37

The main reason that Netanyahu has broken the truce, and yes it is Israel that is not following the agreement that was made to enable the peace process to move into phase 2, is that he needs to get his budget through the Knesset. He can only get it through with the support of the far right who have said they won't support him unless he continues the war. So the bottom line is very simple. The lives of Gazans are being used to keep Netanyahu in power. Many Israelis are opposed to what Netanyahu is doing, many want peace with a focus on bringing the remaining hostages home either alive or dead, many will vote Netanyahu out of office given the chance. If they can get him out of office, he'll probably go to jail for corruption.
I don't support Hamas, I was sickened by the attack on 7/10 but how this killing of Palestinian children and women, depriving them of food and medical attention etc can be seen as justified or necessary is totally beyond me!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:17:49

Those poor babies will join the poor children dying at one every 30 minutes since October 23.

2100 babies and toddlers have so far been killed.

That figure does not include older children, which stands at nearly 20000

These figures are taken from Euro-Med human rights monitor.

Claremont Wed 19-Mar-25 09:17:55

It won't stop until Israel (and Trump) get what they want- the whole land incl. West Bank and the rest- for them and not a single Palestinian left- Then they can divide up the riches, make the new Canal planned for decades ...

but they will never ever get peace, and they probably will take us all down with them.

Anniebach Wed 19-Mar-25 09:20:52

Mostly women and children , can this be because the men hide
in the Hamas tunnels? They were certainly not malnourished
when the hostages were first released, they were definitely loud and bursting with energy

Smileless2012 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:21:55

Netanyahu is defending Israel from further attacks no he isn't, he's committing genocide while the world looks on.

Ladyleftfieldlover Wed 19-Mar-25 09:26:42

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. While Israel has the support of the USA they have no incentive to stop the killing.

Caleo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:28:39

Israel is the spear that kills Palestinians but the US and its allies are the arm that thrust the spear. Netanyahu is America's servant.

foxie48 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:29:43

Smileless2012

^Netanyahu is defending Israel from further attacks^ no he isn't, he's committing genocide while the world looks on.

I agree with you but those who believe it is a justified response to the 7/10 attack will never change their minds. I doubt Netanyahu will ever be brought to justice but at least he won't come here for fear of arrest. Sadly, I don't have any hope left for Gazans now that Trump is in the White House, just like I have little hope for the Ukrainians for the same reason.

Caleo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:30:19

US fights proxy wars

Oreo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:30:41

In that case hamas is the spear that kills Jews and Iran is the arm that thrusts the spear.

Oreo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:33:41

It’s all awful but could stop today as I said earlier if hamas released hostages and gave in, they have no hope of winning anything now but are doing what all terrorists do, causing as much trouble as they can, in this case for their own people.

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 09:35:24

Anniebach

What can excuse the Hamas and other Palestinian groups attack on Israel October 7th 2023 and the treatment of the Israeli Hostages following October 7th 3023 .?

The tiny babies held has hostages and brutally murdered with their mother was excusable ?

The number killed has been given by Hamas

Absolutely nothing excuses this Anniebach, nothing excuses the persecution of Jewish people across centuries, but Netanyahu has gone way too far.

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 09:37:34

Sadly Foxie48 I can only agree with you.

Trump getting peace in both countries appears to have made both situations worse!

Caleo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:38:30

Oreo, so what of the Israeli offensive in the West Bank which does not directly concern Hamas?

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 09:38:33

Oreo

It’s all awful but could stop today as I said earlier if hamas released hostages and gave in, they have no hope of winning anything now but are doing what all terrorists do, causing as much trouble as they can, in this case for their own people.

Do you truly believe there are any hostages left alive? Hamas will say they were all killed in the Israeli attacks!

growstuff Wed 19-Mar-25 09:38:48

Anniebach

Quote ayse Wed 19-Mar-25 08:55:39
Anniebach
It’s clear to me Israel wants to clear the land of Terrorists , should they wait for more repeats of October 2023 ?
So babies and children are terrorists? Or just collateral damage?

Do explain what were the two babies and their mother taken as
hostages by Hamas ?

Killing Palestinians won't bring back the Israelis killed in October 2023. What do you think will be achieved?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:40:13

The problem here is that there are two subjects under discussion

Anti-semitism

The Israeli state.

The two should not be muddled.

So when posters criticise genocide, and other such evil acts, they are talking about the Israeli state. Those posters could equally post abhorring all acts of anti-semtism.

To muddle the two is in itself an act of anti-semitism.

Caleo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:42:44

Is it worth the effort of typing on our keyboards to object to opinion from readers of the Daily Mail?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:44:17

Cossy

Oreo

It’s all awful but could stop today as I said earlier if hamas released hostages and gave in, they have no hope of winning anything now but are doing what all terrorists do, causing as much trouble as they can, in this case for their own people.

Do you truly believe there are any hostages left alive? Hamas will say they were all killed in the Israeli attacks!

If the remaining hostages are in the tunnels with the cowardly Hamas operatives then yes there will be surviving hostages.

If Hamas cared one iota for the people that elected them they would be sheltering them in the tunnels, not prioritising themselves, weaponry, food and water for their use…

I am not condoning the current attacks.

Stage one of the ceasefire stopped several weeks ago, the interested parties have been unable to reach an agreement on Stage two.

Meanwhile Hamas continue to post on social media their intentions to repeat the atrocities of 7th October, 2023 again and again until every Jew is wiped off of the planet…

Anniebach Wed 19-Mar-25 09:46:44

48
Anniebach
Quote ayse Wed 19-Mar-25 08:55:39
Anniebach
It’s clear to me Israel wants to clear the land of Terrorists , should they wait for more repeats of October 2023 ?
So babies and children are terrorists? Or just collateral damage?

Do explain what were the two babies and their mother taken as
hostages by Hamas ?
Killing Palestinians won't bring back the Israelis killed in October 2023. What do you think will be achieved

The Islamic Resistance Movement, abbreviated Hamas, is a Palestinian nationalist Sunni Islamist political organisation with a military wing, the Qassam Brigades. It has governed the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip since 2007. Wikipedia

They cannot bring back the dead, why are they being condemned for preventing further attacks ?

Babs03 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:49:41

Unfortunately some cannot be argued with, their opinions are set in stone no matter how much evidence to the contrary is provided. So will put up no arguments. For me this isn’t a debate. It is a statement of fact. Netanyahu is committing genocide and now has the full support of Trump who is eager to get his hands on a prime piece of real estate next to the med.
That is all there is to say.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:50:21

Stage two had been agreed with Israel, Qatar, Egypt and Hamas.

It was always thought that Israel would not comply with the agreement.

And so it has been proven.

Caleo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:50:31

Jews, Christians, and Muslims have more in common than they have in opposition.

The sovereign state of Israel should never have been created after the British mandate of Palestine ceased .Netanyahu's war is not a war of religion it's a war of colonisation.