Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

Oreo

It’s ironic that posters who don’t like a different view to their own accuse others of having views set in stone.It causes a wry smile.
Gaza isn’t being bombed right now as retribution but for showing military strength to hamas to get them to release hostages and to ram it home that they may as well give up.

Or in others words

Genocide

Gaza is being bombed because Netanyahu needs to keep his right-wing allies onside, so that he can get his budget passed in the Knesset. If he doesn't, an election will need to be called and there is a chance he would lose.

Whitewavemark2

Anniebach

How come, many posters claim no News journalists, allowed in
Gaza, yet we read this morning ‘13 killed, mostly women and children, one woman was pregnant’ .

Who released this ? Hamas

You can get figures from a European charity.

You are wasting your time WW2

Not only is it one of the most stomach turning things we could ever imagine we have this whataboutery going on.
I am not expert on the Middle East. People bandy about Hamas this, Hamas that as if they have some comprehension of the situation.
It's extremely complex and goes back hundreds of years.
I agree with the opening statement. There is no justification.

Ram it home well that's a new way to describe genocide.

Gaza in under fire because Hamas is a threat still to Israel,
Hamas formed by Islamic Resistance Movement is the elected government of Gaza, elected by Palestinians , we have seen the huge support of Palestinians for Hamas when hostages were released

Anniebach

If there is a question over the number of deaths then surely questions over mostly women and children

It would be amazing if the deaths weren't mostly women and children!

Approximately 50% of Gaza's population is under 18. About half the population is female. Therefore, if the deaths are representative of the population in general, approximately 75% of the population is either female or under 18.

Anniebach

Gaza in under fire because Hamas is a threat still to Israel,
Hamas formed by Islamic Resistance Movement is the elected government of Gaza, elected by Palestinians , we have seen the huge support of Palestinians for Hamas when hostages were released

That's not what most commentators around the world are saying.

How much of a threat is Hamas now? On the one hand, claims are being made that Hamas should just give up - now it's a threat. Please make up your mind.

glasshalffullagain

Whitewavemark2

Anniebach

How come, many posters claim no News journalists, allowed in
Gaza, yet we read this morning ‘13 killed, mostly women and children, one woman was pregnant’ .

Who released this ? Hamas

You can get figures from a European charity.

You are wasting your time WW2

Not only is it one of the most stomach turning things we could ever imagine we have this whataboutery going on.
I am not expert on the Middle East. People bandy about Hamas this, Hamas that as if they have some comprehension of the situation.
It's extremely complex and goes back hundreds of years.
I agree with the opening statement. There is no justification.

I think we know for certain how many foreign aid workers have been killed by the Israelis because, well, they’re dead aren’t they. Surely that can’t be a Hamas lie…

Do we know Maybe we are told Israel will not allow aid into
Gaza , children dying of malnutrition allegedly

Exactly as others have said - there is no justification. Which is why am not being drawn into arguments that seek to justify this. Because it is insupportable, unforgivable, and against everything I believe in.
All human life is sacred, no life is more sacred than others.
And anyone who wants to attempt to square this circle can carry on but I find it reprehensible.

I don't know how anyone can justify the murder of so many Palestinians. How many Israelis are being killed and how much of Israel is reduced to rubble.
Saying that Hamas is still a threat when the might of Israel is destroying so many in Gaza is a very poor argument.

Anniebach

Do we know Maybe we are told Israel will not allow aid into
Gaza , children dying of malnutrition allegedly

Foreign aid workers were allowed into Gaza, although Israel stopped UNRWA workers from entry at the end of January 2025.

International aid organisations know how many people they have in Gaza and how many have been killed.

AGAA4

I don't know how anyone can justify the murder of so many Palestinians. How many Israelis are being killed and how much of Israel is reduced to rubble.
Saying that Hamas is still a threat when the might of Israel is destroying so many in Gaza is a very poor argument.

It's a pathetic argument.

People in Gaza have no choice but to support Hamas. If they knock at your door and say jump you say " How high?"

You don't say " Actually my 14 year old son isn't interested right now"

Quote growstuff Wed 19-Mar-25 13:52:37
Anniebach
Do we know Maybe we are told Israel will not allow aid into
Gaza , children dying of malnutrition allegedly
Foreign aid workers were allowed into Gaza, although Israel stopped UNRWA workers from entry at the end of January 2025.

International aid organisations know how many people they have in Gaza and how many have been killed.

Many times there have been posts by strong anti Israeli government posters claiming no organisations allowed, I am surprised
you haven’t read them

Quote glasshalffullagain Wed 19-Mar-25 13:54:54
People in Gaza have no choice but to support Hamas. If they knock at your door and say jump you say " How high?"

You don't say " Actually my 14 year old son isn't interested right now"

Were they forced to celebrate as they mocked the hostages being released, were they suffering from malnutrition?

Having seen the release of the hostages, and their condition when paraded in front of the baying mob of Gazans, I think:
Nothing, but nothing, can excuse the behaviour of Gaza.

It is undeniable that Netanyahu has just saved his government by going into coalition with Ben-Gvir. But there were conditions attached.

Ben-Gvir was and is quite openly against a cease fire and the process that had been worked out

"JERUSALEM, March 18 (Reuters) - Itamar Ben-Gvir's planned return to Israel's government brings back a West Bank settler who has pressed for an intensification of the war in the Gaza Strip, even as the Palestinian death toll has exceeded 48,000.
The announcement by Ben-Gvir, once a lynchpin of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's rightist-religious cabinet, followed airstrikes on Gaza that shattered weeks of relative calm after talks with the Palestinians stalled over a permanent ceasefire."

It cannot be right that Gaza is being bombed to save Netanyahu's regime.

eazybee

Having seen the release of the hostages, and their condition when paraded in front of the baying mob of Gazans, I think:
Nothing, but nothing, can excuse the behaviour of Gaza.

Nothing can excuse the behaviour of Hamas and their supporters, many women and children may feel differently, but Hamas also run their govt.

Nobody is excusing the behaviour of Hamas but some are excusing genocide by Israel.
Hamas is evil no doubt about that but the Israelis are showing themselves to be no better.

AGAA4

Nobody is excusing the behaviour of Hamas but some are excusing genocide by Israel.
Hamas is evil no doubt about that but the Israelis are showing themselves to be no better.

GN's who are criticising recent events are distinguishing between the people of Israel as a whole from a particular regime

We should surely also distinguish Hamas from "all Gazans".

I do not believe Israel is committing genocide, I believe Israel
is defending itself.

Many here claim genocide, claim Israelis want rid of the government, how am I expected to take this is truth when I read here ,Miriam Margolyes , herself a Jew, condemns Israel,
I looked for comments from her, only found much on her
wind and most strange, she enjoyed having her vagina steamed !

Anniebach

Quote glasshalffullagain Wed 19-Mar-25 13:54:54
People in Gaza have no choice but to support Hamas. If they knock at your door and say jump you say " How high?"

You don't say " Actually my 14 year old son isn't interested right now"

Were they forced to celebrate as they mocked the hostages being released, were they suffering from malnutrition?

Yup

This was Miriam Margolyes a year ago, I cant find recent statements.

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Miriam+Margolyes+on+Israel&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:999afd68,vid:xZzBf_9A5j4,st:0

AGAA4

Nobody is excusing the behaviour of Hamas but some are excusing genocide by Israel.
Hamas is evil no doubt about that but the Israelis are showing themselves to be no better.

I agree.