Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

Babs03

Exactly as others have said - there is no justification. Which is why am not being drawn into arguments that seek to justify this. Because it is insupportable, unforgivable, and against everything I believe in.
All human life is sacred, no life is more sacred than others.
And anyone who wants to attempt to square this circle can carry on but I find it reprehensible.

I agree, so I’m gracefully bowing out of this thread, in the hope both sides can reach an agreement 🙏🙏

Wyllow3

This was Miriam Margolyes a year ago, I cant find recent statements.

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Miriam+Margolyes+on+Israel&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:999afd68,vid:xZzBf_9A5j4,st:0

I agree with Miriam Margolyes when she says Hitler has won. I always had great respect for Jewish people. Still do for most but Netanyahu and others who are using genocide as a means to an end are betraying their own people whose parents/ grandparents went through a similar atrocity.

It's well worth a view. I'm sure world wide there are actually a whole range of views and shades of opinion.

However, Trump is in the equation now with most definite views that Gaza should be "cleaned out" - I'm sure backdoor channels are very busy indeed.

But we are talking about a state - Israel - not a religion.

What Israel is doing is simply following the tradition of so many over powerful states, who have used this power to rid themselves of groups of people they deem the enemy.

So they join the ranks of

Bosnia
Cambodia
Sudan
Rwanda
Guatemala

And others.

History will not be kind to Israel.

eazybee

Having seen the release of the hostages, and their condition when paraded in front of the baying mob of Gazans, I think:
Nothing, but nothing, can excuse the behaviour of Gaza.

Exactly.
Jeering crowds who looked as if they would instantly have murdered the paraded hostages if it wasn’t for the terrorists holding them back.Says a lot about them really.Taking pics on their phones.
Even now there is tremendous support for hamas, just as the crowds cheered the slaughter in Israel at the time.Not many
innocents except young children.
Israel will do what it needs to do for its future protection.
Genocide it isn't, tho genocide is what hamas want by the stated aim of killing all Jews.

Whitewavemark2

But we are talking about a state - Israel - not a religion.

What Israel is doing is simply following the tradition of so many over powerful states, who have used this power to rid themselves of groups of people they deem the enemy.

So they join the ranks of

Bosnia
Cambodia
Sudan
Rwanda
Guatemala

And others.

History will not be kind to Israel.

They don’t deem anything, hamas and all their many supporters are the enemy.
Still, I expect hamas will be heartened by all this well meaning but wrong support.

Anniebach

I do not believe Israel is committing genocide, I believe Israel
is defending itself.

Many here claim genocide, claim Israelis want rid of the government, how am I expected to take this is truth when I read here ,Miriam Margolyes , herself a Jew, condemns Israel,
I looked for comments from her, only found much on her
wind and most strange, she enjoyed having her vagina steamed !

Margolyes is a weird one, she’ll say anything as long as it’s controversial, unpleasant, disgusting , as long as it gets her noticed.

Why the constant repeated insistence that those who turned up for the hostage exchanges represent the views of all Palestinians from Gaza? (Or indeed that they all turned up willingly?)
As I said before, no one is saying all Israelis support Netanyahu...

Not all but very many.
You would think ‘ordinary Gazans’ would be blaming hamas for going into Israel and murdering over a thousand innocent people and for bringing down bombs on their heads and homes, but no not a bit of it.They were delighted by the former and only blame Israel.
Am not sure what can happen in the end to Gaza but it’s guaranteed to be the opposite of what hamas and supporters want.Which is their own fault entirely.

Facts. Hamas rid of Jews

Israeli government rid of Hamas

No Israeli Government rid of all Palestinians- babies, children, mothers, all, all of them. And take their land. Genocide of the worst order.

Journalists from all over the world show us daily videos of Hamas chanting and celebrating. They never show us all the IDF soldiers beating up, shooting point blank, abusing, raping, torturing, humiliating and triggering Palestinians. Celebrating, dancing, shouting and singing when shooting Palestinians or bombing the hell out of them. Not Hamas, innocent civilians. They do not show us bulldozing family homes, orchards and olive groves, and pushing civilians out of their settlements. They do not show us the systematic looting of those villages and settlements bulldozed to be replaced by row upon row of illegal settlements, settlers beating and shooting the previous inhabitants, with soldiers protecting them and laughing.

No they make sure you do not see them. And if some of us do copy them on here- some will just say 'oh they are filmed by Gazans or Palestinians from the West Bank, so they are just lies.

Did anyone watch 'No Other Land?'. It won an Oscar for the best documentary, and the whole world has seen it for what it is. Not Hamas propaganda, but the reality on the ground

Genocide, is genocide. When the plan is tog et rid of all of them without a right to return, it is genocide.

Lily Ebert ‘the holocaust didn’t start with death camps but with words ‘

They weren’t innocent civilians, though of course the IDF get things wrong sometimes.Soldiers going into the West Bank never know what’s going to happen or who or when they’ll be attacked by.
I have never agreed with the Israeli settlers either in the past or now in taking land there for what it’s worth.
I think a shake up is coming for both Gaza and the West Bank and things will have to change.

Of course they are innocent civilians, trying to protect their home and land from ILLEGAL settlers, coming with bulldozers and guns, and protected by the IDF- retaliating with stones against bulldozers and machine guns!

State of the art bombs, bulldozers, machine guns, said by Miriam Margoyles !

So which is it Oreo? If they weren't innocent civilians what did the IDF get wrong?

Oreo

Not all but very many.
You would think ‘ordinary Gazans’ would be blaming hamas for going into Israel and murdering over a thousand innocent people and for bringing down bombs on their heads and homes, but no not a bit of it.They were delighted by the former and only blame Israel.
Am not sure what can happen in the end to Gaza but it’s guaranteed to be the opposite of what hamas and supporters want.Which is their own fault entirely.

In such a situation, adults are needed!

Not toddlers with tribal notions of tit for tat.

Oreo

eazybee

Having seen the release of the hostages, and their condition when paraded in front of the baying mob of Gazans, I think:
Nothing, but nothing, can excuse the behaviour of Gaza.

Exactly.
Jeering crowds who looked as if they would instantly have murdered the paraded hostages if it wasn’t for the terrorists holding them back.Says a lot about them really.Taking pics on their phones.
Even now there is tremendous support for hamas, just as the crowds cheered the slaughter in Israel at the time.Not many
innocents except young children.
Israel will do what it needs to do for its future protection.
Genocide it isn't, tho genocide is what hamas want by the stated aim of killing all Jews.

What do you think the alternative to supporting Hamas should be? Who should the Gazans turn to? What else do they have to lose?

Try putting yourself in the position of a Gazan and imagine how would you would think and what you would do.

Claremont

No Israeli Government rid of all Palestinians- babies, children, mothers, all, all of them. And take their land. Genocide of the worst order.

Journalists from all over the world show us daily videos of Hamas chanting and celebrating. They never show us all the IDF soldiers beating up, shooting point blank, abusing, raping, torturing, humiliating and triggering Palestinians. Celebrating, dancing, shouting and singing when shooting Palestinians or bombing the hell out of them. Not Hamas, innocent civilians. They do not show us bulldozing family homes, orchards and olive groves, and pushing civilians out of their settlements. They do not show us the systematic looting of those villages and settlements bulldozed to be replaced by row upon row of illegal settlements, settlers beating and shooting the previous inhabitants, with soldiers protecting them and laughing.

No they make sure you do not see them. And if some of us do copy them on here- some will just say 'oh they are filmed by Gazans or Palestinians from the West Bank, so they are just lies.

Did anyone watch 'No Other Land?'. It won an Oscar for the best documentary, and the whole world has seen it for what it is. Not Hamas propaganda, but the reality on the ground

Genocide, is genocide. When the plan is tog et rid of all of them without a right to return, it is genocide.

And every time innocent people die the Israelis say ‘there will be an investigation’ and we never hear any more about it.

"I think a shake up is coming for both Gaza and the West Bank and things will have to change."

A "shake up"? Gaza has been bombed almost to the ground and the West Bank is being taken over by illegal settlers! FGS, how much more of a "shake up" can the Palestinians take?

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Sorry but a sick post, not worthy of a reply

Jeering crowds are not all they seem.

Hard to refuse when your children are being threatened.

Babs03

Those who insist no Palestinians are innocent and keep saying this ad nauseum must therefore be very glad to see the butchered children and babies or dead babies in their parents arms that I just saw on the BBC news again.
Obviously they won't be satisfied until all Palestinians are dead or ethnically cleansed from the area.
Just tune into the news and get your kicks, get to see all those nasty/guilty Palestinians dismembered or lying in pools of blood in the hospital.
Oh and then be sure to say it is all just staged, that maybe the blood is ketchup.
God help us!!

Walk away Babs, for your own sanity.

What's happening to the Palestinians is sick Annie.