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Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

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Claremont Tue 18-Mar-25 18:43:30

- without warning, in the middle of the night- in the middle of Ramadan.

NOTHING.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Mar-25 19:43:44

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

But we are talking about a state - Israel - not a religion.

What Israel is doing is simply following the tradition of so many over powerful states, who have used this power to rid themselves of groups of people they deem the enemy.

So they join the ranks of

Bosnia
Cambodia
Sudan
Rwanda
Guatemala

And others.

History will not be kind to Israel.

They don’t deem anything, hamas and all their many supporters are the enemy.
Still, I expect hamas will be heartened by all this well meaning but wrong support.

Are you suggesting that I support murderous terrorists?

growstuff Wed 19-Mar-25 19:44:31

Babs03

Those who insist no Palestinians are innocent and keep saying this ad nauseum must therefore be very glad to see the butchered children and babies or dead babies in their parents arms that I just saw on the BBC news again.
Obviously they won't be satisfied until all Palestinians are dead or ethnically cleansed from the area.
Just tune into the news and get your kicks, get to see all those nasty/guilty Palestinians dismembered or lying in pools of blood in the hospital.
Oh and then be sure to say it is all just staged, that maybe the blood is ketchup.
God help us!!

I'm not sure they're worthy of God's help.

valdavi Wed 19-Mar-25 21:18:15

Whitewavemark2

But we are talking about a state - Israel - not a religion.

What Israel is doing is simply following the tradition of so many over powerful states, who have used this power to rid themselves of groups of people they deem the enemy.

So they join the ranks of

Bosnia
Cambodia
Sudan
Rwanda
Guatemala

And others.

History will not be kind to Israel.

I agree - Israel will go down on that list in history.

And as far as I know, the only one on it that we are complicit with.(by supplying arms, recognising Israel as an ally & not speaking out).

Allira Wed 19-Mar-25 21:38:31

So they join the ranks of

Bosnia

No, Whitewave, no!

Bosnian Muslims were murdered by Serbs. Some Bosnians may have helped but Serbianss were the ones who massacred thousands of Bosnians, put Croatians into concentration camps and committed genocide.

Claremont Thu 20-Mar-25 20:59:27

We are not talking about Bosnia here, however.

But the genocide taking place in Gaza, the West Bank, the whole of Palestine.

foxie48 Thu 20-Mar-25 21:18:07

The Serbs were also Bosnian, they killed Bosnian Muslims! However, thousands of Israelis have been on the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem protesting against Netanyahu who is putting his own survival in government over the lives of the remaining hostages and those of innocent Gazans.

Wyllow3 Thu 20-Mar-25 21:45:19

I'm glad to hear that foxie.

Protests
www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=thousands+of+Israelis+have+been+on+the+streets+of+Tel+Aviv+and+Jerusalem&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fe121f3a,vid:h4vwIM1zE4U,st:0

Young Palestinian journalist speaks up
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cceCx3-tlyU

Oreo Thu 20-Mar-25 22:01:35

Very few protesters in Israel care about Gazans, but they just understandably want to get the last few hostages back.
The government thinks enough of the pussyfooting around hamas and think a show of strength is the best way to get them back to the negotiating table.They may have it wrong or could well be right.

Anniebach Thu 20-Mar-25 22:19:03

Netanyahu wants to stay in Government so is angering Israelis ?

Wyllow3 Thu 20-Mar-25 22:25:25

Clearly many.

growstuff Thu 20-Mar-25 22:35:23

Anniebach

Netanyahu wants to stay in Government so is angering Israelis ?

He's trying to delay an election, which would mean he would be accountable to the electorate. What he's doing now is trying to keep the right-wing faction of his coalition on his side, so that they will vote for the forthcoming budget.

Anniebach Thu 20-Mar-25 22:47:06

Really, next election in October 2026 , so he chooses to anger the electorate in March 2025 , big mistake

growstuff Thu 20-Mar-25 22:50:04

Anniebach

Really, next election in October 2026 , so he chooses to anger the electorate in March 2025 , big mistake

No. The government is a coalition and an early election would be forced if the right-wing faction vote against the government and refuse to endorse the budget. Netanyahu is hanging on by a very narrow margin.

Anniebach Thu 20-Mar-25 22:54:49

So he trying to avoid an early election ? We will see

growstuff Thu 20-Mar-25 23:00:54

Anniebach

So he trying to avoid an early election ? We will see

Yes, he is. Ben-Gvir and Smotrich have stated that they will withdraw their parties from the coalition if the war doesn't continue. Without them, Netanyahu would no longer have a majority and the government would be brought down.

Anniebach Thu 20-Mar-25 23:06:27

So he pleases the far right and angers parliament and the electorate,

growstuff Thu 20-Mar-25 23:27:47

Anniebach

So he pleases the far right and angers parliament and the electorate,

Your comment about angering parliament doesn't make sense. The right-wing coalition holds 64 of the 120 seats, so he would be pleasing just over half of parliament (Knesset).

Netanyahu is quite clearly concerned that if he were forced to call an election, he might lose his majority. At the very least, he might be forced to step down as Prime Minister. Being Prime Minister and the war in Gaza have postponed the charges of embezzlement against which were kicking off before October 2023. There are also a number of domestic issues which aren't popular with the electorate. It is absolutely clear that the Israeli electorate is split, but has been united by the war and a common enemy.

growstuff Thu 20-Mar-25 23:29:02

Ooops! Typo alert - don't know where that "against" came from.

foxie48 Fri 21-Mar-25 07:31:45

Netanyahu is using the Trump play book to try to silence those who are again him The latest is the head of Shin Bet, Ronan Bar, who's investing some of N's aids for receiving cash from the Qatari govt. Unfortunately anyone not following something of what is going on in Israeli politics probably won't understand why N is seen as a threat to democracy by many ordinary Israelis. The war in Gaza has almost become a sideshow to N's prime ministership rather than the main event.

foxie48 Fri 21-Mar-25 07:32:32

Investigating, not investing!

Anniebach Fri 21-Mar-25 07:59:21

Attempts at sarcasm is wasted on me

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 09:05:05

Oreo

Very few protesters in Israel care about Gazans, but they just understandably want to get the last few hostages back.
The government thinks enough of the pussyfooting around hamas and think a show of strength is the best way to get them back to the negotiating table.They may have it wrong or could well be right.

And this is where you are totally wrong. A larger and larger proportion of Israelis, and Jews all over the world, are ashamed of this genocide and what is happening to Palestinians, and totally against Netanyahu. Your statement shows that you have very little idea of what is going on on the ground.

Oreo Fri 21-Mar-25 09:25:13

I expect you have many young friends there that tell you this Claremont hmm

Anniebach Fri 21-Mar-25 09:28:04

Obviously no one has told Netanyahu he hasn’t a hope of winning an election

Oreo Fri 21-Mar-25 09:29:42

Of course BN has many detractors and some with good grounds for wanting him out at the next election for varying reasons, but he was elected to his position and was handed a poisoned chalice through the murdering hamas thugs and supporters in 2023.