Dan Norris has been arrested and suspended from the Labour Party following rape and child sex allegations

I’m not sure who you are referring to, but actually many of us, regardless of political persuasion, have taken a consistent line on offences by politicians. It makes no difference who it is, if they have broken the law they deserve what punishment they are due.

It is not a fault of the vetting - if his DBS checks showed up clear then there is no way anyone could possibly know that he was later going to be charged with such awful offences.

The only remotely good thing in this sordid mess is that he saw off the ghastly J R-M.

Casdon

I’m not sure who you are referring to, but actually many of us, regardless of political persuasion, have taken a consistent line on offences by politicians. It makes no difference who it is, if they have broken the law they deserve what punishment they are due.

Many of us do, and believe that the offence deserves punishment.
But reading GN, no one could be unaware that the supporters of one party are always keen to point out the faults of the other party.

Then we have thousands? who have never technically committed an offence on children.
Some years ago my daughter was befriended by a man at the school gates. He told her he was putting together a summer camp for children.
They made an arrangement to meet to discuss the details.
My daughter asked me to come along as she knows my perv alert is honed to perfection.
Every bell rung loud and clear.
I told her we were going to the police to see if we could get some more information on him: we did.
The police officer told us that they were very aware of him but he hadn’t done anything that warranted being asked to attend the police station.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

What I find frightening is that these perverts walk amongst us often with a veneer of respectability.

Absolutely correct FriedGreenTomatoes2. The excellent likable head teacher at my children’s primary school was suspended during an investigation into ‘historical’ ie 7 years ago from two separate children. One had made allegations 7 years earlier. Investigation found no independent evidence to support the allegations. He was then promoted head at our school. No one was aware of the earlier allegations. It caused a huge split with parents involved in this area of work accused of being obsessive who see it everywhere.
Long story short - he was off the hook. Promoted to bigger school. After he left our school several children made allegations. They said they couldn’t speak earlier due to the support the parents gave him.

We don’t know if Dan Norris has committed anything yet. Everyone is jumping to conclusions. It was seeing him accused of these allegations that came as a shock.

I must be missing something. I’ve not seen conclusions being jumped to, just a discussion on the complexity of the in estigations

GrannyGravy13

Mollygo

Wyllow3

I really don't think his political party comes into it, FGT.

Abhorrent wherever you find it - dont try to make "political capital" out of it.

I agree, but I’m certain there would have been political capital made out of it had the accused been a Tory.
We have seen that endlessly on GN.

Definitely, the Tories bad Labour and Lib Dem’s good mantra is common in GN

No one tried to defend or cover up Mike Amesbury nor approved of the members of the WhatsApp group when Health minister Andrew Gwynne was sacked and 3 councillors resigned over messages in that group.

If you re-read the Mike Amesbury thread you can see definite suggestions he "got off lightly" because he was Labour - making "political capital" out of it.

Iam64

I must be missing something. I’ve not seen conclusions being jumped to, just a discussion on the complexity of the in estigations

Same here. 🤔

There was minimising and doubt expressed when I mentioned the allegations against Brendan Cox, that wasn't party political but it was political.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

What I find frightening is that these perverts walk amongst us often with a veneer of respectability.

Not all burglars wear stripy tops and carry bags of swag.

Mogg has cultivated a look and a personna for example. What lies beneath is not pleasant.

Churchview

Rees Mogg. Pro blood sports, "completely against" abortion even in cases of rape and incest (whilst personally profiting from companies that make abortion pills), votes against any initiative to support the poorest in society, voted against provision of school dinners during holiday time to help the poorest children during covid, blamed Grenfell victims, blamed Covid victims, horizontal in parliament and refers to the electorate as 'pot plants'.

Dan Norris innocent until proven guilty.
Rees Mogg has shown us who he is already.

Hear, hear!

glasshalffullagain

FriedGreenTomatoes2

What I find frightening is that these perverts walk amongst us often with a veneer of respectability.

Not all burglars wear stripy tops and carry bags of swag.

Mogg has cultivated a look and a personna for example. What lies beneath is not pleasant.

And yet he speaks very highly of you.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

What I find frightening is that these perverts walk amongst us often with a veneer of respectability.

It is frightening how many of them there are and how many of them seem to rise to senior and public positions.

glasshalffullagain

" a nice man"

Like Trump?

This case sounds very distrubing.

I don't think anyone could ever say trump is nice. Ever.
But you're not wrong, everyone has good qualities & even good people do bad things, but even people who commit crime are not all bad, no one ever is. Or there's no hope for people who have committed crime. And I think there's always hope.

Churchview

FriedGreenTomatoes2

What I find frightening is that these perverts walk amongst us often with a veneer of respectability.

It is frightening how many of them there are and how many of them seem to rise to senior and public positions.

They look like us, if only they had two horns and a tail so we could easily identify them

FriedGreenTomatoes2

glasshalffullagain

FriedGreenTomatoes2

What I find frightening is that these perverts walk amongst us often with a veneer of respectability.

Not all burglars wear stripy tops and carry bags of swag.

Mogg has cultivated a look and a personna for example. What lies beneath is not pleasant.

And yet he speaks very highly of you.

No idea what that means. I have never met the man.

Oh hang on, you're trying to say something about my moral compass?

I don't lie, I don't cash in on my family wealth,I regard people as equals....need I go on?

Nana49

glasshalffullagain

" a nice man"

Like Trump?

This case sounds very distrubing.

I don't think anyone could ever say trump is nice. Ever.
But you're not wrong, everyone has good qualities & even good people do bad things, but even people who commit crime are not all bad, no one ever is. Or there's no hope for people who have committed crime. And I think there's always hope.

but even people who commit crime are not all bad

Sorry, but I would have to disagree, Nana49

FriedGreenTomatoes2

glasshalffullagain

FriedGreenTomatoes2

What I find frightening is that these perverts walk amongst us often with a veneer of respectability.

Not all burglars wear stripy tops and carry bags of swag.

Mogg has cultivated a look and a personna for example. What lies beneath is not pleasant.

And yet he speaks very highly of you.

😂

Tho he may be a ‘dreaded Tory’ apparently he’s a very good MP to his constituency or so I have read.

The Dan Norris case sounds shocking.

Run it by me, what's good about Mogg again? or Johnson or Farage or Trump?

Run it by me, what's good about Mogg again?

By all accounts he was a good constituency MP.

Presumably it was the general swing towards Labour which meant he was ousted.
At the time Dan Norris said ""This is a victory for integrity"

Hollow laugh.

That’s gonna come back to haunt him Allira 😲

I keeep hearing this about him being a good MP. Like Johnson was a clever man. Do we have anything to support this at all?