Grooming gangs. Labour absolutely stink

The title of this thread :Grooming gangs. Labour absolutely stink 09-Apr-25 22:07:35
The opening post : www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/09/l
Labour-dropped-grooming-gang-inquiries-offending-pakistanis/
Waiting to hear what Maggie Oliver has to say about this.

This thread is concerned with the failure to hold Public Enquiries into the prosecution of grooming gangs, 85% of which are of British Pakistani heritage, (quoted January 2025) and with reference to the Rochdale prosecutions , 2012.
The attempt to obfuscate the issue with comments about all child abuse and shift the emphasis elsewhere is shameful.
The public enquiries are wanted because local people involved have claimed they were 'advised' that drawing attention to the ethnicity of grooming gangs could cause harm to the Labour party's chances in forthcoming elections. Ethnicity of suspects had been an issue in securing prosecution of the gangs.
The quotes come from notes I took in January when Jess Phillips first announced the refusal to hold Public Enquiries into the child grooming scandal. I have the names of the people who made the statements but cannot verify them, as they were taken from television broadcasts.
The suggestions of pressure upon witnesses needs to be openly investigated otherwise suspicion will grow that exactly the same pressure is being applied now to prevent a full legal enquiry where people are compelled to attend and give evidence.

The framing of the title and O/P are from a very specific political POV. To point out the limitations and possible dangers of framing the debate in that way and that way only is right and properly part of a GN discussion.

It's not "shameful" neither is it "to obfuscate" to look at a particular set of allegations from a broader angle. That is your POV but there are others.

From the start of the discussion it was uncovered that newspaper reports did not take account of all that was said by Phillips.

The O/P claimed Labour have dropped any inquiries by using only particular sources on a whole long parliamentary discussion.

For the record, I have consistently said that those who tried to bury or deny evidence about ethnicity should be called out, but the reality of how people perceive grooming gangs is often to see them as of Pakistani origin only because white grooming gangs have not had the publicity.

You dont have to look far in social Media to find "all muslim men are abusers" and blaming the labour party for all ills when the conservative government sat in the Jay report for 2 years without the outcry we've seen since Musk decided to focus on Pakistani only grooming gangs (and added in for good measure that we should look to Tommy Robinson as a saviour).

I spent time in January researching them too and found reports were often confined to local not national newspapers and definitely not picked up adequately

The article I quoted “Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says

Study of England, Scotland and Wales dispels myth of ‘Asian grooming gangs’ popularised by far right” gives the figures for the country as a whole - I dont know where you got the figures of “85% of which are of British Pakistani heritage” - they may be localised?

If there are suspicions about current practice being affected by the kind of totally unacceptable political and other interventions we saw back 15 or more years ago then I see no evidence.

I think that yes it is relevant to say take grooming gangs as a specific topic as you can't discuss all at once:

but nevertheless it is part of the wider discussion because matters such as victim support, the acceptance of the victims point of view, the way police and social workers, CPS and other agencies are involved stretch across all offences of child/women abuse.

by the way, Maggie Oliver of course still supports the enquiries but her organisation fiercely fights for the support and changes in treatment of all victims of abuse. Its quite clear in the literature.

Wyllow 👍🏻

Well said Wyllow!

I do thank the Lord for you on these threads Wyllow

I would also like to thank Wyllow for all the research she does and her level headed responses.

Having worked with this kind of csa makes Wyllow’s posts very welcome. They speak the truth as I experienced it

Sadly Wyllow3 the Asian grooming gangs are far from a myth!

They exist right alongside any white grooming gangs.

Galaxy

Indeed and that is fine. It is also fine to discuss what issues around the culture of Hollywood led to Epstein, and the other horrific abuse of child actors for example. It is also fine to look at the patterns of behaviour of the males within specific communities who target children in a particular way. I am an equal opportunity advocate when it comes to child safeguarding. No sacred groups, we have seen previously where this leads.

Good comments👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

What is happening is illegal and I truly can’t understand all the pussyfooting around. Who cares whether the perpetrators come from Timbuktu, they are evil biastards and should be punished.

nanna8, thanks to Nazir Afzal and Keir Starmer’s work at the CPS, successful investigations and prosecutions are taking place.
Like other sex offenders, gangs continue to abuse. Why ?

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Not true primrose53 and sad that you are branding a whole race of people for the atrocities of some.

That’s inflammatory and untrue Primrose. Do yiu know any Muslim people?

Granniesunite

Not true primrose53 and sad that you are branding a whole race of people for the atrocities of some.

OK I will insert “many of them”.

Iam64

That’s inflammatory and untrue Primrose. Do yiu know any Muslim people?

Worked with Muslims for many years.
Are you denying that they marry off young children to old men?

Just defies logic.

We have sadly very large numbers of men from a white "christian' culture who abuse women and children or are caught up with misogyny in many different ways.

Does that therefore mean all or nearly all men from this culture are acting this way because of their white culture?

Indeed, we are grappling with substantial problems all the time of how the Tates of this world are gaining traction, as seen so powerfully in the TV series "Adolescence", the abuse within religious and other institutions, domestic abuse.

No.

Bad apples are bad apples from wherever they come.

My experience of living and working in a town with a large population of people with Muslim faith and Pakistani heritage hasn’t led me to share your disdain
My experience did not involve child brides

Iam64

My experience of living and working in a town with a large population of people with Muslim faith and Pakistani heritage hasn’t led me to share your disdain
My experience did not involve child brides

Oh come on ….. young girls have been pulled out of school in this country for years and years and a relative has taken them overseas for what they were told was a holiday and they are married off to some old bloke.

This has fairly recently been banned I believe but you must have been living in a cave not to know that. There have been countless radio and TV progs about it, teachers and social workers know about it (but too late to do anything). There are even posters up in ladies toilets at airports about forced marriages.

Aways easier to blame others than look at our own cultures.

It can't be both though can it. It can't be that culture of social media and Andrew tate impact young men in this country but that other cultures have no impact on behaviour. It isn't Muslims anyway, it is very specific to a region.

Yes I agree Galaxy cultures do have an impact on behaviour. And in order to live better together it's important to understand those.
What I have problems with is blaming and generalising about one culture - attributing certain types of behaviour to them only - without looking at a our dominant culture that has also produced appalling practices.

It is light years ahead of many countries. As is much of Europe in terms of rights for women, gay rights, etc etc.

Yes we are fortunate in many respects. In terms of discussing abuse in the UK however we are still left with the issue that abuse against women and children is cross-cultural.

It doesn't emanate only from one particular group. Its been often hidden and very shameful for a long, long time.

Primrose53

Iam64

My experience of living and working in a town with a large population of people with Muslim faith and Pakistani heritage hasn’t led me to share your disdain
My experience did not involve child brides

Oh come on ….. young girls have been pulled out of school in this country for years and years and a relative has taken them overseas for what they were told was a holiday and they are married off to some old bloke.

This has fairly recently been banned I believe but you must have been living in a cave not to know that. There have been countless radio and TV progs about it, teachers and social workers know about it (but too late to do anything). There are even posters up in ladies toilets at airports about forced marriages.

I agree, it’s been an issue for years and years, maybe getting better or may not, most cases don’t make the headlines so hard to know.Terrible situation for those girls.
I wonder why a few posters can’t recognise that culture still plays a big part in all sorts of things, particularly for those who originate in country locations in Pakistan who then settle here.