Grooming gangs. Labour absolutely stink

Doodledog

This thread is getting personal and nasty. Ignorance? pity?

This is not a discussion, and I really can't be bothered. GN is not what it was.

I’m sorry if my words offend you but anyone who slags off Maggie Oliver is ignorant and to be pitied.

I was nt meaning her at all.
She seemed to be doing well from what I read.

That was to Wyllow3

Maggie Oliver is concerned more about the wellbeing of abused girls than of her own reputation, unlike many who failed to investigate these horrors.

To try to claim that she is a champion of the right is quite shocking but reflects the thinking of those in a system which allowed this to continue for fear of accusations of racism.

Thank you for clarification fancythat.

What hideous and spiteful comments I have woken up to this morning.

Let's remember who started this discussion.

It goes without saying that any sane human being would be appalled at the abuse of young girls. It's a discussion which is emotive and complex.I am interested in the words of Nazir Afsal, less so those of Maggie Oliver.
I believe there must be other brave professionals who fought and contine to fight for this stuff to be exposed and stopped.

I think it's utterly stomch turning the way it has been hijacked by the likes of Stephn Yaxley Lennon and Elon Musk.

Allira

Maggie Oliver is concerned more about the wellbeing of abused girls than of her own reputation, unlike many who failed to investigate these horrors.

To try to claim that she is a champion of the right is quite shocking but reflects the thinking of those in a system which allowed this to continue for fear of accusations of racism.

Spot on 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Good post there glasshalffullagain. I’m also more interested and impressed by Nazir Afzal and other professionals involved in ensuring the investigation and prosecution of men who abuse children is more effectively managed

In the late 1990’s, area officers and senior managers in GMP were well aware there was a force wide problem with the organised abuse of vulnerable children by men of largely Pakistani Muslim heritage. At no time did I ever hear the ethnicity as an excuse for not arresting and prosecuting. Resources and the difficulty in successful prosecutions when the children refused to co-operate or would be viewed by juries as unreliable witnesses was central

It was indefensible. Maggie Oliver wasn’t the only police officer raising this, along with teachers, sw, health and probation staff.

Cumbrianmale56

I can remember the Labour MP Naz Shah in the last decade condemning investigations into Muslim grooming gangs as it was bad for " diversity". This obsession with political correctness / diversity meant the police and social services were afraid to investigate grooming gangs in Rotherham, for fear of being called racist.

Wasn’t or isn’t Naz Shah the Bradford MP shamed for indulging in antisemitic online comments years ago? Bradford has been named in this latest grooming debacle where men are targeting a childrens home and collecting young girls from it.
Appalling that it’s still going on.

I strangely enough couldnt care less whether she is a champion of the right or not. I think the right have as much right to speak as anyone else. Maggie Oliver is I think a difficult women, they are the ones who tend to get things done.
It's fine to like or not like Maggie Oliver.

But Iam64 the police, social workers and teachers who knew it was going on felt either uncomfortable or intimidated in pushing things precisely because of the worry of perceived racism given that the men were mainly of Pakistani heritage.
Are we going to let that continue?

As, btw it still is going on.

I am sick to my stomach at the abuse I have read on here directed at me.
My comment was clumsy but I don't deserve the back lash.

Have a nice day.

Oreo

But Iam64 the police, social workers and teachers who knew it was going on felt either uncomfortable or intimidated in pushing things precisely because of the worry of perceived racism given that the men were mainly of Pakistani heritage.
Are we going to let that continue?

That honestly was not my experience. I’m not disputing what the Jay report concluded. of course abuse should be investigated whatever the background of offenders or victims.

Sexual abuse of children (and women) dates back as far as we have evidence.

Isn’t this something we need to talk about more -

Re Naz Shah - unfounded allegations

From Full Fact: "Naz Shah did not say quote about grooming gangs"
"In 2020, Ms Shah successfully sued the campaigning group Leave.EU after it called her a “grooming gang apologist” in a 2019 Facebook post. The group apologised and accepted Ms Shah was a "vociferous campaigner for victims of grooming gangs", said their post was “ill-judged and untrue” and paid her damages for libel. "

All grooming gangs and all other incidents of child abuse should be investigated whatever their background. It has been recognised the appalling over ups of the past, and reasonable to debate here what can now be done,

but the obsession of continually to focusing on one race group only in the present, is politically motivated and prevents recognition of the breadth of the problems being discussed in tackling abuse crime against women and children.

However Wyllow3 it has to be said that those men targeting childrens homes in Northern towns and cities and elsewhere too are predominantly Asian of Pakistani heritage.
Treating these in care girls as their personal pleasure grounds.
The young girls, and maybe boys are vulnerable to what seems like affection and adult attention at first, with men giving them compliments and gifts.It makes me sick to my stomach that it has gone on and is still going on.

As I have said no way do we avoid this but "Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

Parts of the press continue to focus on one group only and this clouds our picture of the whole issue and we need to tackle that.

Wyllow, thanks for challenging and clarifying the Naz Shah slur. She has first hand experience of abuse in ‘her’ community. I remember the accusations being successfully challenged but this thread is so focussed on one group I was too fed up to challenge and should have

Oreo - there’s evidence about Priests. Vicars, scout leaders, teachers. Social workers ], MP’s, celebs, door staff, and many more. These men find each other so often and work together, as the Muslim Pakistani groups did/do. Their way of seducing, getting the children to see them as boyfriends etc is similar to the Epstein operation and those in residential care homes.

Their way of major issue being missed on this thread is the extent of child sexual abuse and exploitation,

I think the inquiries or strategies that attempt to tackle too broad an issue generally fail. I think it is much more useful to look at specific issues, so abuse within the Catholic Church, abuse by the rape gangs, abuse online, etc.

Galaxy

I think the inquiries or strategies that attempt to tackle too broad an issue generally fail. I think it is much more useful to look at specific issues, so abuse within the Catholic Church, abuse by the rape gangs, abuse online, etc.

I agree 100% much easier to deal with that way👏🏻👏🏻

Priests and vicars often have threads discussing abuse in the church

Yes Galaxy I agree that focussed inquiries are a good thing.
Why do so many men find children sexually attractive. How safe are the children in the families and communities these men are fiubd in are

Sorry, abuse by priests and vicars are often discussed on threads , why not other specific issues

I do realise about the people and institutions you mention Iam64 it’s well known in society.
As for Naz Shah, she was certainly awful about Jews online maybe before she became an MP and then once it was brought to light did the usual ‘apology’.
I have no knowledge of what she did or didn’t say on the subject of grooming gangs btw and I never mentioned it.

Indeed and that is fine. It is also fine to discuss what issues around the culture of Hollywood led to Epstein, and the other horrific abuse of child actors for example. It is also fine to look at the patterns of behaviour of the males within specific communities who target children in a particular way. I am an equal opportunity advocate when it comes to child safeguarding. No sacred groups, we have seen previously where this leads.