Israel to Conquer Gaza part 2.

I don’t think the hostages have been forgotten. I heard about 25 are still alive. Given that Gaza is almost destroyed I hope they are still alive, but it would be a miracle.
Shamefully they don’t seem to be uppermost in Israel’s eyes despite their families who have fought so hard.
They were innocent victims, as were the 60,000 palistinians most of them women and children, who have been killed since and are still being killed daily by the bombs coming over one way from Israel to Gaza. Were Israel being bombed daily by Gaza we would know about it. But it’s not mentioned.

There was an agreement which Israel signed up to for hostages to be returned at the start of March. The hostages would have been freed months ago had Israel not broken the agreement by demanding to be able to continue bombing Gaza after the hostages were released. Obviously no one could accept that.

I believe the plan from the start has always been to drive out the palistinians by any way they can so they can take Gaza, West Bank and the areas remaining for Israel.

There remains questions to be answered about how this all started and why it took so long for the Israeli army/ police to arrive on scene. Gaza is about 25 mile long by 5 miles, surrounded by Israel and the sea. It didn’t need from the dawn attack to midday to get there. A long cruel wait for those who were presumably phoning fir help after being attacked, so cruelly that morning. Everyone has suffered and some still are suffering and will suffer for years to come.

* Phillipa* a Jew who lives in Israel, who has tried to discuss
the war several rimes, she gets shouted down, this thread she
was told her propaganda! must be questioned ,

Propaganda from Hamas is certainly not questioned by the majority here.

How can the majority expect their accusations to be believed,
they who have kept on and on about Netanyahu started this war and keeps it going to avoid being prosecuted for some crime, nothing to do with Israel Palestine war. This allegation
fizzled out when Trump got involved,now it’s to have land.

We are told about posters Jewish Friends or a Rabbi , and even
What Miriam Margolyes said, yet Phillipa was told she was posting propaganda.

The number of dead are given by Hamas, and I am curious
How in war one side can choose to kill more children and women, seems Israel does because Hamas tells the world

One simple way to counteract any/all Hamas propaganda would be for Israel to allow independent observers into the region. Not just the BBC, but that would do it for me.
The IDF would then have to promise not to shoot them.
End of Hamas propaganda.
Simple.

Anniebsch I think Philippa should have been allowed her say, whether or not others agreed with her, but unfortunately it did not suit the rhetoric on here and she found it difficult so rarely posts now.

People swear blind that they are not anti semitic, but quite honestly, those same people give a very good imitation of anti semitism to the point that Jews need to take extra care in their daily lives. Keeping a low profile is advised. I was born in 1943, the height of the holocaust. I never, ever expected to see again such hatred for the Jewish people, as witnessed today, during my lifetime.

I don't anyone who is antisemite- despite being totally against this genocide.

BTW, you do know that Palestinians are, by definition, 'semites'.

Many who are totally opposed to Netanyahu and this genocide, are orthodox Jews, who clearly say that what he is doing goes totally against the jewish religion and the Torah.

On the radio today a man of Jewish faith said that throughout his life in the U.K. he had never experienced anti-semitism until very recently.

He blamed Netanyahu’s genocide.

Maureen Lipman spoke of vandalism in Jewish cemeteries before 7th October 2023, walls were built around Jewish cemeteries before 7th October 2023 .

Quote Allira Wed 11-Jun-25 16:45:54
Anniebsch I think Philippa should have been allowed her say, whether or not others agreed with her, but unfortunately it did not suit the rhetoric on here and she found it difficult so rarely posts now.

Allira Philippa was told she had an agenda , she was pushed of this thread, those who,shout the loudest didn’t want to know
What she had experienced

I have no dislike towards Jews as individuals or as a a group, never have, the opposite actually, but because of what is happening now, in their name , they may have to get used to no longer being immune from criticism.

They have breached international rule of law so many times over the decades but they have always had the USA as protector so they avoided being called to account.

I don’t think the current Israeli government actually care what anyone thinks. Netanyahu aim is to stay out of jail so brought in extremists and their goal is to get rid of the palistinians by killing or driving them off their lands, and out of the country, so they can take the whole land for their own. That’s genocide.

Personally I think most normal people wherever they are just want to live in peace. It’s the politicians who decide and the ordinary citizens who pay the cost with shattered lives.

silverlining48

I have no dislike towards Jews as individuals or as a a group, never have, the opposite actually, but because of what is happening now, in their name , they may have to get used to no longer being immune from criticism.

They have breached international rule of law so many times over the decades but they have always had the USA as protector so they avoided being called to account.

I don’t think the current Israeli government actually care what anyone thinks. Netanyahu aim is to stay out of jail so brought in extremists and their goal is to get rid of the palistinians by killing or driving them off their lands, and out of the country, so they can take the whole land for their own. That’s genocide.

Personally I think most normal people wherever they are just want to live in peace. It’s the politicians who decide and the ordinary citizens who pay the cost with shattered lives.

How magnanimous of you silverlining. I'm sure many posters here will be tugging their forelocks at you.

I'm sure many, many in the Jewish community will grateful and thankful for you trying to justifying your stance and elevating them to an almost human status. .

No need to be so rude.

No need for gratitude or tugging forelocks either

I have no dislike towards Jews as individuals or as a a group, never have, the opposite actually

They have breached international rule of law so many times over the decades
Um, Jews as individuals? Or as a group eg in a synagogue?

Do you mean the Israeli Government or all Jews everywhere?

Whitewavemark2

On the radio today a man of Jewish faith said that throughout his life in the U.K. he had never experienced anti-semitism until very recently.

He blamed Netanyahu’s genocide.

I think that's what Philippa felt she experienced too.

Yes I mean Israel. Certainly not all Jews everywhere.

Just what I was thinking ferry23
And furthermore, I don’t think we have ever ‘been immune from criticism, just the opposite really.
When you say ‘they’ silverlining48 I presume you mean the Israeli government, or is it any Israelis or any Jews I wonder.

X post Allira

Well said Anniebach and I wish Philippa would return, but can’t blame her for not wanting to read some comments on here.

This is a free and open discussion forum. We come on here to say what we believe to be true.

Whitewavemark2

On the radio today a man of Jewish faith said that throughout his life in the U.K. he had never experienced anti-semitism until very recently.

He blamed Netanyahu’s genocide.

Yes, so many Jews are blaming Netanyahu for this. For the genocide he has perpetrated, which goes totally against the Torah and Judaism, and not Palestinians.

Netanyahu may be at the end of his career soon, as Orthodox Jews will probably vote against him and force an election. He is currently insisting all Orthodox Jews have to accept to be conscripted into the IDF, and they say their Faith will not allow them to do this.

Is there an election coming up soon? If so, would he be able to do the 'national emergency' thing where you can't have elections during a war?

Quote Maremia Wed 11-Jun-25 21:15:58
Is there an election coming up soon? If so, would he be able to do the 'national emergency' thing where you can't have elections during a war?

Phillipa said October 2026, many on this thread believe Netanyahu went to war in 2023 to avoid a court case after that date. I certainly do not believe it

I can’t imagine any Jewish people believing they’re immune from criticism, silver lining. Jewish people have been subjected to anti semitism throughout history.

The continued bombing by the current Israeli government is, and increase in illegal settlements is, imo, wrong and indefensible.

None of that justifies anti semitism. As others have said, it’s increased since October 7 but it’s always been with us. The Jewish schools and cemetery in north Manchester had guards long before this latest war

It’s

Yes Iam64 antisemitism is an age old prejudice. I've never really understood it and still don't.
Anti semitics are always around but show their true colours in situations like this.
I am truly sorry that Netanyahu's actions have brought out this nasty side of some people and caused suffering to innocents.