Israel to Conquer Gaza part 2.

In war civilians get harmed / collateral damage etc. But this Israeli operation in Gaza is not really like a war in the normal sense.
Was the Northern Ireland troubles a war? A civil war maybe. But Gaza can't be that because they are a seperate state / territory to Israel.
Only saying that, where the IDF have such a range of options, because they are overwhelmingly superior in every resource, they do not have to cause civilians deaths in order to protect their territory or preserve their own lives.So although I would agree with the argument in most wars, I can't agree with it in this one.

Philippa60

Already been denied and labeled "another Netanyahu spin".
When will this end?
Another night with missiles aimed at my home?
No military here so it is pure targeting of civilians...

Isn't the "Iron Dome" functioning?

Philippa60

Already been denied and labeled "another Netanyahu spin".
When will this end?
Another night with missiles aimed at my home?
No military here so it is pure targeting of civilians...

I think it will end when Netanyahu becomes honest and serious over peace talks.

So never then.

Yes we have air defense systems but they are not 100% so we hear the siren and we go to the shelter.

valdavi

In war civilians get harmed / collateral damage etc. But this Israeli operation in Gaza is not really like a war in the normal sense.
Was the Northern Ireland troubles a war? A civil war maybe. But Gaza can't be that because they are a seperate state / territory to Israel.
Only saying that, where the IDF have such a range of options, because they are overwhelmingly superior in every resource, they do not have to cause civilians deaths in order to protect their territory or preserve their own lives.So although I would agree with the argument in most wars, I can't agree with it in this one.

It’s not a “normal” war combatants usually have some regard for the civilian population Hamas are deliberately using women and children as human shields for propaganda.

Never before have we had a terrorist group sacrificing a whole population, everyone is a martyr.

Welcome back Philippa60. It’s good to know you are safe. When this most recent conflict between Israel and Hamas begin my support was entirely for Israel. I continue to feel huge anger for what Hamas did 7/10. I believe that though flawed, the various decisions that led to the creation of the state of Israel were the least worse/best outcomes. Israel should be the safe homeland of Jewish people.
I remember previous wars, especially the 6 day war, during which I was the only non Jewish person, working as a temp secretary in a busy and successful legal firm in Manchester. No internet or rolling 24 hour news, just the bbc on news updates on the transistor radio in the corner of the office. The high emotion expressed by the companies owners
Since then I’ve worked with and formed important friendships with many Jewish people here in north Manchester. Our city has the largest Jewish community in the UK outside London.
I’m finding huge opposition to the current Israeli government’s bombardment of Palestinian people, amongst my friends and family. My ability to defend the bombing and starvation is diminishing with each report of starving or dead people, especially children
Of course the October attacks were beyond disgusting, shiukd never have happened. The hostages must be released. The bombing must stop. That’s down to the Israeli govt

Germany has strongly supported Israel through thick and thin since WW2. But Israel has lost Germany.

Today Merz said that Israel’s actions against Gaza can no longer be justified as the fight against Hamas.

I'd add its the creeping occupation of the West Bank, enforced by the military, that stands in the way of support for the current Israeli regime, and a concern that even if this regime is ousted, this will not stop.

Children burned alive in school

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9yjj54v3xo

I wonder how long it will take Israel to completely clear Gaza of Palestinians?

I guess once Gaza is clear then Israel will start on the West Bank.

They can then begin to build the expanded Israel on the bones of the children they have killed.

Archaeologists will be saddened over the type of society that has carried out this act of genocide.

Extract from an Open letter from U.K. lawyers to PM

26 May 2025

We are lawyers, legal academics and former judges who are UK-based or qualified. We write owing to our deep concern over the worsening catastrophe in the occupied Palestinian territory (‘oPt’, Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem) and our commitment to upholding the rule of law.

Serious violations of international law are being committed and are further threatened by Israel in the oPt.

First, genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza or, at a minimum, there is a serious risk of genocide occurring. The limited aid now allowed into Gaza, after an 11-week blockade on food, medical supplies and the essentials of human existence, remains gravely insufficient to address the unfolding humanitarian catastrophe.[1] Israel continues simultaneously to escalate its military operations in Gaza, while senior Israeli Ministers have expressed their intention to “take control of all the territory of the [Gaza] Strip” and “conquer, cleanse and stay – until Hamas is destroyed”, further stating “what remains of the Strip is also being wiped out.”[2]

Second, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and serious violations of international humanitarian law are being committed in the oPt.

Third, Israel has been found by the International Court of Justice in July 2024 to be violating peremptory norms of international law across the entire oPt in denying the Palestinian people their right to self-determination and unlawfully annexing territory acquired by force.

Israel’s May 2025 plan – the implementation of which began on 16 May 2025[3] – is to forcibly and permanently displace the population of Gaza to small areas of the Gaza Strip, and coerce their emigration to other countries, in grave violation of international humanitarian law, international criminal law and international human rights law. Israel has moreover decided in May 2025 to facilitate and accelerate settlement development in the West Bank (including the territory designated as Area C under the Oslo Accords). Both measures exacerbate Israel’s ongoing and longstanding breach of the jus cogens (non-derogable)right of self-determination of the Palestinian people.

All States, including the UK, are legally obliged to take all reasonable steps within their power to prevent and punish genocide; to ensure respect for international humanitarian law; and to bring to an end violations of jus cogens norms of international law. The UK’s actions to date have failed to meet those standards.

We ask your Government to act in accordance with its fundamental international legal obligations, and with your Government’s stated central objective of upholding the rule of law,[6] by taking, without delay, the following “concrete actions”:

Use all available means to secure an immediate, unconditional and permanent ceasefire in Gaza and to ensure the urgent, unconditional and unimpeded resumption of aid, at scale, to the population of Gaza;
Use all available means to secure the lifting of Israel’s ban upon the United Nations Relief and Works Agency throughout the entire oPt;
Impose financial and immigration sanctions in relation to Israeli Ministers and other civil and military personnel reasonably suspected of involvement in unlawful conduct;
Review existing trade ties with Israel; suspend the 2030 Roadmap for closer UK-Israel partnership; and impose trade sanctions upon Israel; and
Confirm that the UK will adhere to its obligation to execute arrest warrants issued by the International Criminal Court in relation to the oPt.

There are something like 850 signatories to the letter - far more than can be reasonably posted.

Letter from Israel

For those of us in Israel who are horrified and ashamed about what our government is doing, we can only share Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett’s sense of hopelessness (As Gaza’s children are bombed and starved, we watch – powerless. What is it doing to us as a society?, 24 May).

For months now, as a member of the organisation Standing Together, an activist group of Jews and Palestinians, we have demonstrated to end the war. Lobbied politicians. Tried to awake the conscience of those who are only interested in territorial gain. Posted pictures of mutilated and starving Palestinian children. We cannot understand how the democratic world is so slow in responding. Many words of condemnation, but no action.

We the peacemakers are many, but our voice has no traction with this government. The Palestinian community dare not say a word as they know they will be picked up by the security forces, and demonstrators are faced with increasingly violent police under the ultra-right minister Itamar Ben‑Gvir. Films about the occupation are banned. Television does not show pictures from Gaza. We are sliding fast into the quagmire of fascism and our voices are being silenced.

Two countries for two peoples is what we want, and is the only way to peace. We have no Nelson Mandela here, or Martin Luther King, but we need every one of you to raise your voices and shout: “Enough.”
Olivia Bezalel
Clil, Israel

Published in The Guardian

Appreciate your detailed post Whitewavemark2. One sentence stands out, particularly after the discussions upthread. 'Television does not show pictures from Gaza'. And so, the beleagured Israeli citizens are being fed the official view.
There is much to think about from your post, thanks.

'How long will it take Israel to clear Gaza?' you asked. Another question is 'Where will they go?'

Maremia

Appreciate your detailed post Whitewavemark2. One sentence stands out, particularly after the discussions upthread. 'Television does not show pictures from Gaza'. And so, the beleagured Israeli citizens are being fed the official view.
There is much to think about from your post, thanks.

Everyone in Israel with a computer, iPad and smartphone can see footage of what’s happening in Gaza and the rest of the world, we’re not in the 1950’s now.

Appreciate your point of information Oreo.

I understand that Gaza has to be cleared of enough hamas as to make them inoperable as there are no half measures, they have to go.
Allowing aid in now is another matter and should be stepped up.

Going back to the original post, and using google, the only info I can find is that 300 trucks were ready to go in on the 20th of May, but the Israelis only let 200 pass the blockade. Officials say that 500 are needed every day.
Not good enough.

Maremia

Appreciate your point of information Oreo.

😊

I found this

Israel said last week it would allow “minimal” aid deliveries into Gaza, where aid agencies warn of widespread famine and multiple deaths from starvation, but reports suggest that the few supplies that have entered the enclave have reached Gaza's starving population of 2.3 million.

Whitewavemark2

Maremia

Appreciate your point of information Oreo.

😊

Well, it did need saying that Israelis have full access to the Internet! Few people rely on tv news.

Whitewavemark2

I found this

Israel said last week it would allow “minimal” aid deliveries into Gaza, where aid agencies warn of widespread famine and multiple deaths from starvation, but reports suggest that the few supplies that have entered the enclave have reached Gaza's starving population of 2.3 million.

The aid agencies that said 40,000 babies would die from malnutrition in 48 hours by any chance?
I think aid will start again, as it already has but likely to be stepped up for the basics.

Yes , 14,000 was an error !

Are the many posts stating Netanyahu started the war to avoid
prosecution for some crime still correct or an error

Is Israel at war for ethnic cleansing or to turn Gaza into a luxury coastal paradise errors or facts

On Netanyahu and charges its hard to unpick, here is an account of the charges and what happened
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu

I noticed this morning there is no change in the aid getting in situation.
However its worth a mention that its not just Hamas seizing aid as is sometimes claimed when it does come in - its desperate and chaotic

www.cnn.com/2025/05/23/middleeast/gaza-food-aid-looting-desperation-intl

Frankly it will astounding if there is no looting.

If my children were starving and I had the opportunity, I would loot. I would do everything it took to keep them alive.