TW acknowledges why women don’t feel safe

Yes I saw that this morning on the BBC website.

What can you say about an admission like that really?🤔
Except it’s good to hear a transwoman speaking this truth.

That’s why I love Caitlin Jenner- she says it as it is.

Given the example in the O/P

What it seems to me we need to focus on the increase in toxic masculinity in terms of our well being as women, and especically looking at the cultural climate that our grandchildren face: violence, both physical and co-ercive.

We've threads going on the Tate brothers, women in the US being downgraded, Reform activists targeting women political leaders.

What we need to do is create environments where whatever your back ground male/female/trans what matters is treating each other with respect.

btw, I've always been clear on trans and sport issues but we have laws on hatred/incitement to same that can be applied across the board.

The trans woman in the OP probably would be scared of competing against men as it would mean not winning.

Oreo

The trans woman in the OP probably would be scared of competing against men as it would mean not winning.

True, but what struck me was that he said he wouldn’t feel safe playing with men competitors, and that’s exactly how women have been saying they feel.

This example was about football and the transwoman who could no longer play in a female team rejected the alternative of a men’s team because she was frightened of the injuries caused by men’s superior physical strength.

And yet somehow that didn’t apply to her superior male strength against her female opponents 🤔

Good point Lathyrus3 🤙🏼

Lathyrus3

This example was about football and the transwoman who could no longer play in a female team rejected the alternative of a men’s team because she was frightened of the injuries caused by men’s superior physical strength.

And yet somehow that didn’t apply to her superior male strength against her female opponents 🤔

Precisely.

Meanwhile in the USA, one meet has decided on a different tack.

A male had been dominating 3 events in CA GIRLS track & field
@CIFState
continued to allow him to compete with girls - but made slight rule changes that whatever place he gets a girl will also get.

Leading to a girl having to share the 1st place podium with a MALE.

Ab Hernandez came in 1st in high jump and triple jump - 2nd in long jump.

Many girls were not okay with this.
So they are admitting that a transgirl isn't a girl and retains male advantage but he must be allowed to compete against females. Make it make sense, other than he wouldn't come close to a place if competing in the boy's events.

Interestingly they didn't have to make any such consideration for a female taking a podium place in the male events, what a surprise!

The formatting looks awful, sorry, everything from A male ...through to ....Girls were not okay with this has been c&p from X.

The mind boggles on this one.

So presumably if there are more make competitors there will be six people on the podium- three male transwomen and three females- for the first, second and third places.

And there will be the person who jumped the furthest (first place) then the person who jumped the furthest for a female ( also first place) then the trans person who is second - except that they actually jumped further than the female in first place and then female who is second (who didn’t jump as far as any of the three who are first and second) but who also did not jump as far as the trans person who is third. And then the sixth person who is actually joint third.

Got that? Simples🙄

Lathyrus as he's a biological male, why would other male footballers have superior physical strength?

Lathyrus it's potentially worse than you think this meet podiums up to 9th place Many USA meets regularly podium a minimum of 6 places.

Rosie51

Lathyrus it's potentially worse than you think this meet podiums up to 9th place Many USA meets regularly podium a minimum of 6 places.

Prizes for all then😬

Smileless2012

Lathyrus as he's a biological male, why would other male footballers have superior physical strength?

We don't know that they do, but maybe that’s why he doesn’t feel safe.

Maybe not superior but equal at least. Less likely to be knocked over by a shove and then likely to shove back harder.

Does the transwoman just not feel safe in the company of straight males? What did they mean by "safe"?

It is just a man being cross because women have said no. Same old same old.

We have mensports and womensports. We should definitely have transports, to be fair in competitions.

We also have age divisions in sports and body weight divisions in those competitions.

I have yet to see a human run in a dog race.

...or a dog participate in a dance.

We have mensports and womensports. We should definitely have transports, to be fair in competitions.

With the increasing number, that will soon be possible. I’m not sure how popular it would be though.
As yet, when an “open “ category - open to males females and trans has been offered, TW still wanted to enter the female competition.
If there’s a trans category, that would mostly mean males competing against males, and how will that work?

Some things in life are unfair and we cannot cater for trans people who want to play with the gender they identify with. Transpeople are a minority group and they need to accept that they cannot have everything they want.

Oreo

The trans woman in the OP probably would be scared of competing against men as it would mean not winning.

That's sort of defeating Mollygo's argument in the OP, Oreo.