TW acknowledges why women don’t feel safe

nanna8 if your friend was born male then he remains male, however he presents himself.
I couldn't care less how a man looks or dresses unless he claims to be a woman.

But if someone born male has undergone surgery before living as a woman how can she possibly present a sexual risk to biological females? (I use the feminine pronoun because using the masculine pronoun would be inappropriate and discourteous in such a case. ) Nanna8's friend had indeed had surgery.

My husband is of no risk to women, he has no business in women's spaces. Women are saying no. If men continue to access spaces knowing this I think that is a clear indicator they are a risk.
Whatever men may do to their body they remain men.

Galaxy

My husband is of no risk to women, he has no business in women's spaces. Women are saying no. If men continue to access spaces knowing this I think that is a clear indicator they are a risk.
Whatever men may do to their body they remain men.

Actually, Thats the crux of the matter.
If a man insists on using women’s spaces, taking female places, participating in female sports (OP) or any other business that is detrimental to females’ wellbeing, then he is a risk to women.
It doesn’t matter what he looks like or whether he has had surgery or taken drugs or had counselling, he is still male.
What is it about the lie that you can change sex that has people agreeing that lying is OK?
It wouldn’t be acceptable if I claimed to be the person whose passport identity I had stolen, or if I claimed to be under 11 when entering and winning a children’s competition.
So why is this pernicious lie so acceptable.

Dress how you want, appear how you like, but don’t lie and definitely don’t demand that others accept your lie.

It’s ridiculous.
Would you want to see your D or GD up against and tackled by this (wo)man mountain?

Of course not, but the TW I know is small, gentle and thoughtful - we cant generalise I'd be glad for her to care for my GD especially as she's had children herself long ago as a Dad, but as I said above it was a very thought through later in life decision.

I think rosie is asking about sport not interacting with children.
Female spaces are based on generalisations, its why small men aren't allowed in, gay men aren't allowed in, old men aren't allowed in.

As individual men don’t go around with “I will hurt women ” “I won’t hurt women” stamped on their heads we have to make a generalisation for women’s safety based on the one thing we do know about men.

“I am stronger and I can hurt you.”

Wyllow3

Of course not, but the TW I know is small, gentle and thoughtful - we cant generalise I'd be glad for her to care for my GD especially as she's had children herself long ago as a Dad, but as I said above it was a very thought through later in life decision.

I was of course talking about this specific case about sportswomen who are NOT SAFE when up against transwomen players with vastly different physiques.

The topic I intended in the OP was referring to TW competitors in female sports.
The TW you refer to Wyllow3 is unlikely to want to compete. Nevertheless, if he did wish to take a woman’s place in any situation, being small, gentle and thoughtful wouldn’t change the fact that he’s a male.
In fact if he did that, then thoughtful as defined by the dictionary meaning showing consideration for the needs of other people would not apply either.

Galaxy

I think rosie is asking about sport not interacting with children.
Female spaces are based on generalisations, its why small men aren't allowed in, gay men aren't allowed in, old men aren't allowed in.

Thanks, point taken that post was about sports specifically.

Mollygo

The topic I intended in the OP was referring to TW competitors in female sports.
The TW you refer to Wyllow3 is unlikely to want to compete. Nevertheless, if he did wish to take a woman’s place in any situation, being small, gentle and thoughtful wouldn’t change the fact that he’s a male.
In fact if he did that, then thoughtful as defined by the dictionary meaning showing consideration for the needs of other people would not apply either.

It's an agree to disagree here as to the use of pronouns. (I see differences in people's choices in posts above depending on our POV)

Since it is legally OK under the GRA for those with GRC to be called she I am comfortable with using she for this friend (who of course never claims to be biologically female)

but only when I feel comfortable doing so not across the board of course.

I have never used she when talking to a woman or a TW, because I address them as you. If I was talking about them to somebody else (why would I do that?) I’d use his name rather than a pronoun which I consider to be inaccurate.

As you say, it’s personal choice, but for me a lie is a lie whatever the context, and a lie about sex change, whether by word or bodily implication is still wrong.
Of course if there hadn’t been all the problems caused by a small number of cheating, lying, violent TW, and a large number of violent TRA, it probably wouldn’t be such an issue. But males are males, whether they’re quiet and gentle or tall, muscular and deep voiced and it has been declared that only biological females are women.

A relative of mine had a partner, for a v short time fortunately, who was small & slight and appeared perfectly nice (I met him).
He told her he'd been accused of assaulting his sister and it was all rubbish. My relative met his mother who supported this version.

A few months later he was imprisoned for sexual assault.

No man should ever be accepted as a woman.