Israel attack on Iran

Frankly I support neither side in this totally unnecessary war.

Iran - I would very much like to see a regime change, but certainly not like this. Bombing and killing innocent people is never a recipe for good. Iran certainly provides support for various groups - some classed as terrorists.

Both Iran and Israel (particularly Netanyahu) have supported Hamas.

Israel - is just plain wrong. There is no evidence that suggest a preemptive strike was necessary. Even Trump understood that for while.

Netanyahu has no interest in bringing regime change, he has no plan apart from eliminating any potential nuclear threat, which we know is not there.
He had no plans to re-build etc, just as he has no plans to re-build Gaza - just devastation and horror.

Distract and divert attention away. And it's working.

So confusing, Israel has supported Hamas , Whitewave post today 12.15.24 ?

Intyeresting article now in the Guardian about how Iran has managed to penetrate the Iron Dome.

Anniebach

So confusing, Israel has supported Hamas , Whitewave post today 12.15.24 ?

I thought you knew everything there is to know about Netanyahu.

You are an ardent supporter, so it is reasonable that you know his politics.

Of course Netanyahu supported Hamas for a good number of years for the same reason he is giving tacit support to outlier terrorist groups in Gaza now.

But can we believe Netanyahu could be so duplicitous? Of course we can!

Netanyahu had been secretly supporting Hamas. It's quite a while ago till it went wrong for him.

Quote Whitewavemark2 Wed 18-Jun-25 13:53:54
Anniebach
So confusing, Israel has supported Hamas , Whitewave post today 12.15.24 ?
I thought you knew everything there is to know about Netanyahu.

No, if I did I would be constantly posting not asking questions which seem to cause upset and even anger

And yet you are such a strong supporter.

Based on what?

Netanyahu has supported and funded Hamas in order to keep Fatah out of Gaza.

He is and always has been intent on keeping the two areas apart.

And has been successful hasn’t he?

I’ve just cut and pasted some info. But bear in mind that support for Hamas by Israel goes much further back.

Quick explanation from Wikipedia

In the late 2010s and early 2020s, Israeli officials encouraged Qatar to give aid to Hamas,[9] and approved the transfer of money from Qatar to the organization.[10] Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that the aid transfers were allowed for humanitarian reasons;[11] Israeli intelligence officials believe that the Qatari money contributed to the success of the October 7 attacks.[

“Netanyahu has no interest in bringing regime change, he has no plan apart from eliminating any potential nuclear threat, which we know is not there.”

Would you like to explain why Iran has built a massive underground plant for enriching uranium has consistently refused inspections and has prepared a weapons facility inside a mountain.

www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
Well this was a real eye opener for me. Netanyahu supported Hamas for years! I needed to look at the truth of this but there are so many links to prove the facts that I have chosen one at random to post. It is the people of Israel who have paid the price for this self serving policy as WWM2 shows in her Wikipedia extract.

David49

“Netanyahu has no interest in bringing regime change, he has no plan apart from eliminating any potential nuclear threat, which we know is not there.”

Would you like to explain why Iran has built a massive underground plant for enriching uranium has consistently refused inspections and has prepared a weapons facility inside a mountain.

Don’t you know, or is it your rather bumbling way of disagreeing?

Well, Iran has not consistently refused inspections. It has been inspected every years since (I need to look that up). In March I think it was, Iran withdrew from the non-proliferation agreement. As you no doubt are aware that is an organisation that Israel has constantly refused to belong to, being only 4-5 countries out of over 200 refuse to belong to the treaty. So from that point of view Iran has been more compliant than Israel.

With regard to nuclear power.

You must look at this as two separate issues.

1. The development and use of nuclear power, which is a sovereign state initiative and which many countries in the world are developing.

2. The development of enriched uranium to over 90% in order to be used in nuclear weapons. This is what is the subject of yearly inspections.

That is why the USA is so keen to reach an agreement.

Parsley3

www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
Well this was a real eye opener for me. Netanyahu supported Hamas for years! I needed to look at the truth of this but there are so many links to prove the facts that I have chosen one at random to post. It is the people of Israel who have paid the price for this self serving policy as WWM2 shows in her Wikipedia extract.

As far as I am concerned Netanyahu is an evil number 1 b…….d

I agree Whitewave.

Trump is now wavering saying I may do it or I may not in reference to helping Israel.
He has proved himself to be a weak leader. A strong leader would make an informed decision not faff around.

Trump just doesn’t have any expertise in diplomacy and I would assume he’s surrounded himself in yes men and not experts.

AGAA4

I agree Whitewave.

Trump is now wavering saying I may do it or I may not in reference to helping Israel.
He has proved himself to be a weak leader. A strong leader would make an informed decision not faff around.

I suspect that Trump and his advisors along with other countries in the Middle East as well as the inspectorate know full well that Iran was not on the brink of producing a bomb, which is why they are dithering. Although if push comes to shove Trump will support Israel I am sure.

Israel has attacked Iran for its own (Netanyahu’s) nefarious ends. People will die in Iran and Israel because of this lie.

Whitewavemark2

Parsley3

www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
Well this was a real eye opener for me. Netanyahu supported Hamas for years! I needed to look at the truth of this but there are so many links to prove the facts that I have chosen one at random to post. It is the people of Israel who have paid the price for this self serving policy as WWM2 shows in her Wikipedia extract.

As far as I am concerned Netanyahu is an evil number 1 b…….d

Well, you would think that wouldn’t you? As all of your comments are pro Palestine.

What’s the big deal about supporting hamas in the past? It’s one crazy extremist group over another even more crazy extremist group when there isn’t a real choice.

Whitewavemark2

AGAA4

I agree Whitewave.

Trump is now wavering saying I may do it or I may not in reference to helping Israel.
He has proved himself to be a weak leader. A strong leader would make an informed decision not faff around.

I suspect that Trump and his advisors along with other countries in the Middle East as well as the inspectorate know full well that Iran was not on the brink of producing a bomb, which is why they are dithering. Although if push comes to shove Trump will support Israel I am sure.

Israel has attacked Iran for its own (Netanyahu’s) nefarious ends. People will die in Iran and Israel because of this lie.

How do you know what Iran was on the brink of?

Quote Oreo Wed 18-Jun-25 15:58:43
What’s the big deal about supporting hamas in the past? It’s one crazy extremist group over another even more crazy extremist group when there isn’t a real choice.

Supporting the government the people voted into power,

Oreo

What’s the big deal about supporting hamas in the past? It’s one crazy extremist group over another even more crazy extremist group when there isn’t a real choice.

What crazy extremist groups are you talking about?

And do you understand that it is thought by Israeli intelligence, that Netanyahu,’s support of Hamas led to Oct23?

It's quite a big deal to support Hamas and therefore allow it to to grow strong enough to attack your own people.

David49

Whitewavemark2

The news is just suggesting that Trump will be making a significant decision within the next few hours.

So the question is whether the USA gets involved in hostilities or puts pressure on Israel to pull back.

Or even I suppose try to resurrect the talks with Iran - I doubt that though.

Now Israel has started he won’t tell them to pull back -they wouldnt take notice if he did.
My bet is either an ultimatum to Iran or direct action to bomb the nuclear sites

David49 I would like Trump to give the order to have direct action, go in strong and bomb the underground nuclear sites.
It’s a chance now to break the regime or at the least put the mad mullahs back in their box.

The Times of Israel

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from.

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.