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Israel attack on Iran

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AGAA4 Fri 13-Jun-25 08:24:30

This is a serious situation. Netanyahu has gone against advice from the US and has attacked Iran.
Iran will retaliate and Israel has closed down today waiting for the attack.
Although the US has distanced itself from this only warning Iran not to target US bases it's inevitable that they may get pulled into this war.

LizzieDrip Thu 19-Jun-25 15:01:13

Our PM is not stupid. If he does commit the UK to supporting the US and Israel, there will be a reason. Personally, I doubt if he will offer more than token support. To answer your question - I would support neither "side". I would support adult negotiation and peace

Hear, hear growstuff.

Nanna8 I know you can’t stand Sir Keir Starmer - that’s up to you. However, I think the current situation with Iran is far too serious for politicisation and name calling.

Maremia Thu 19-Jun-25 15:01:46

Will look and see if other media outlets have the same function.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 19-Jun-25 15:11:57

Here we are - I am sorry my IPad doesn’t do links so I’ve copied and pasted it.

Perhaps this should be done daily so that we never forget those poor souls

Gaza’s cries have been drowned out by Israel’s strikes on Iran, and the diplomatic pressure on Benjamin Netanyahu over the suffering has ebbed. Yet as the industrialised world urges de-escalation in the Middle East, the devastation continues. On Tuesday morning, witnesses described Israeli forces firing towards a crowd waiting for trucks loaded with flour, leaving more than 50 dead. These are not stray bullets in wartime chaos, they are the outcome of a system that makes relief deadly.

As Médecins Sans Frontières declared this week, what is unfolding in Gaza is “the calculated evisceration of the very systems that sustain life”. That includes homes, markets, water networks and hospitals – with healthcare continually under attack. Last week, a UN commission found that more than 90% of the Gaza Strip’s schools and universities have been damaged or destroyed by Israeli forces using airstrikes, burning, shelling and controlled demolitions. What’s happening is not the collateral damage of military necessity, it is a programme of civic annihilation.

In such circumstances, words without action are worse than meaningless. Western powers cannot decry war crimes and genocide while supplying the arms that cause them elsewhere. If they believe in international law, countries such as the UK should act to uphold it. The law is not law if no one enforces it. Israel is the occupying power in Gaza and has a clear duty under the fourth Geneva convention to ensure the population’s access to food, water and medical care.

Instead, it has imposed a blockade and driven out UN humanitarian operations. In their place, it has backed the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), a private aid scheme coordinated with its military and guarded by US mercenaries. Citing unproven claims of Hamas infiltration, Israel scrapped 400 UN-backed aid sites for just four GHF-run, militarised hubs. In a few weeks, around 300 Palestinians have reportedly died trying to access these food sites. UN officials are right to say the GHF scheme is “engineered scarcity” that has made aid distribution “a death trap”. The US-based Center for Constitutional Rights has also warned that the GHF may be prosecuted for aiding “war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide”. Yet Donald Trump’s state department is mulling a $500m grant.

In the UK, ministers say allegations of genocide are for courts to decide upon, while government lawyers in court assert that there is no genocide. This is not just moral evasiveness but tactical contradiction, designed to sustain arms sales and diplomatic cover. This hypocrisy has consequences. By shielding Israel from accountability in Gaza, and now endorsing its illegal strike on Iran, western governments are not merely complicit – they are dismantling the legal order they claim to defend. They are falling in line with Mr Trump’s attempts to undermine institutions designed to hold powerful actors accountable, replacing legal norms with political cover.

As the former USAID official Jeremy Konyndyk has said, if GHF were a genuine humanitarian project it would have halted a model that produces daily massacres. According to the Carnegie Endowment’s Katherine Wilkens, GHF imposes severe limits on food, subjects civilians to invasive biometric vetting and hands out aid at gunpoint under Israeli control – in clear breach of international law. What is collapsing in Gaza is not just infrastructure. It is the principle that even war has rules. When those rules are waived for allies, no one is safe.

Guardian 19/6

Whitewavemark2 Thu 19-Jun-25 15:21:18

Mira aged 6 - killed yesterday

Oreo Thu 19-Jun-25 15:22:13

Israel is a valued ally to the West which is why you won’t get them saying anything much about Gaza or Iran, why would they, particularly in the case of Iran.
The West wants to make sure that Israel comes out on top and Muslim extremists are got rid of.Even neighbouring countries, no matter what they may publicly say are delighted to see the downfall of hamas and hezbollah.

Claremont Thu 19-Jun-25 15:34:58

Whitewavemark2

Mira aged 6 - killed yesterday

Netanyahu today: 'There are people who were killed, each of us carries a personal price. *My son Avner cancelled a wedding.
Unbelievable*

Wyllow3 Thu 19-Jun-25 15:51:33

Maremia

For any GN still wishing to follow what's happening to the people of Gaza, when you click on your BBC online, look for the heading 'Israel Gaza war/ latest news and updates'.
Click on that. You can then decide if you wish to click, or not, the choice 'follow'.
But as AGAA4 has said, it is not the main focus just now.

I want it to be "in focus" - yes its all on the I player news and I read that as a matter of course to find out, but most don't read that if they are TV or radio focussed.

I know some will knock the BBC I player news those very pro the current regime in Israel.....

but I think it's superb and they are very careful indeed to give accurate sources in their verify sections.

Claremont Thu 19-Jun-25 15:56:29

Oreo

Israel is a valued ally to the West which is why you won’t get them saying anything much about Gaza or Iran, why would they, particularly in the case of Iran.
The West wants to make sure that Israel comes out on top and Muslim extremists are got rid of.Even neighbouring countries, no matter what they may publicly say are delighted to see the downfall of hamas and hezbollah.

So that justifies anything and everything, and 50.000 + bombed and burnt to bits- babies, children, whole families, who are not Muslim extremists. You do realise many Muslims ARE NOT extremists, don't you.

Shame, shame on the West, and those who support this genocide.

AGAA4 Thu 19-Jun-25 16:06:22

You can find news on Gaza from various outlets but it isn't headline news for now. It shouldn't drop out of focus for so many reasons one of them being that it's too convenient for Netanyahu.
He's playing the hero saving the world from evil Iran but we should never forget what has been done and is still being done in Gaza.

silverlining48 Thu 19-Jun-25 16:14:23

Israel is a dangerous ally to have, and one which has proved itself willing to attack neighbours, Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen, Iran. This could possibly lead to a war which if we support the USA ( please No!) we and the world may get involved in.
All for a country which has wanted more and more land which belongs to others.
Shame on the west indeed.

silverlining48 Thu 19-Jun-25 16:20:25

I will be on the march in London on Saturday and will report back after. Am assuming it will be peaceful and know it won’t get a mention on the news.
I am not a spring chicken and it’s going to be very hot but I want to show support and hope I make it through to Downing Street.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 19-Jun-25 16:33:46

silverlining48

I will be on the march in London on Saturday and will report back after. Am assuming it will be peaceful and know it won’t get a mention on the news.
I am not a spring chicken and it’s going to be very hot but I want to show support and hope I make it through to Downing Street.

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍.

MayBee70 Thu 19-Jun-25 16:38:45

silverlining48

I will be on the march in London on Saturday and will report back after. Am assuming it will be peaceful and know it won’t get a mention on the news.
I am not a spring chicken and it’s going to be very hot but I want to show support and hope I make it through to Downing Street.

Alas, my marching days are over but I’ll be with you in spirit.No, these peaceful (and litter free) marches never make the news do they.

growstuff Thu 19-Jun-25 16:39:09

AGAA4

You can find news on Gaza from various outlets but it isn't headline news for now. It shouldn't drop out of focus for so many reasons one of them being that it's too convenient for Netanyahu.
He's playing the hero saving the world from evil Iran but we should never forget what has been done and is still being done in Gaza.

I've just read that Netanyahu has said that the Iranian leader deserves to die for the hit on an Israeli hospital. Is the man suffering from some kind of cognitive dissidence? Remind me again how many Gazan hospitals have been hit. Does that mean that the leader of the country responsible for the hits deserves to die?

growstuff Thu 19-Jun-25 16:39:54

silverlining48

I will be on the march in London on Saturday and will report back after. Am assuming it will be peaceful and know it won’t get a mention on the news.
I am not a spring chicken and it’s going to be very hot but I want to show support and hope I make it through to Downing Street.

I'll be with you in spirit.

CariadAgain Thu 19-Jun-25 16:52:21

Also with you in spirit too.

I would say there is absolutely NO doubt whatsoever the Israeli Government is quite deliberately doing its darndest to make sure there is literally no trace whatsoever of either Gaza or the Palestinians living there. Shocking indeed and I reckon the timing of them attacking Iran is very deliberate to try and "cover" what they seem to regard as the last traces of doing this. Netanyahu and his cronies are simply not human beings as I understand the meaning.

There is a theory I've come across that some people (maybe a rather noticeable number at that) literally don't have a soul. I'm not going to say I disbelieve that in the circumstances. There is nothing behind Netanyahu's eyes...

Claremont Thu 19-Jun-25 17:09:14

Chilling, the same story, the same people, the same scare mongering - since 1995. Irak, and now Iran

fb.watch/AjXlDv14uB/

Claremont Thu 19-Jun-25 17:10:39

growstuff

silverlining48

I will be on the march in London on Saturday and will report back after. Am assuming it will be peaceful and know it won’t get a mention on the news.
I am not a spring chicken and it’s going to be very hot but I want to show support and hope I make it through to Downing Street.

I'll be with you in spirit.

oh me too - stay safe.

Maremia Thu 19-Jun-25 17:42:32

Good luck tomorrow, marching GNs. It is going to be very, very hot.
Stay safe.

Claremont Thu 19-Jun-25 18:29:25

Who is the most dangerous currently. Ayatolla or Trump?

Answer, Netanyahu, he is pulling all the strings and encouraging Trump and the West into another disastrous war, like Irak X 1000. aka WW3.

Fflaurie Thu 19-Jun-25 18:37:30

Antisemitism is against all Jewish people. Anti Israel is against the country. The Jewish people across the world are not responsible for the the political situation in Israel any more than all Muslims are terrorists, all Catholics are responsible for the priests who abused children and so on.

growstuff Thu 19-Jun-25 18:45:42

Claremont

Who is the most dangerous currently. Ayatolla or Trump?

Answer, Netanyahu, he is pulling all the strings and encouraging Trump and the West into another disastrous war, like Irak X 1000. aka WW3.

Aided and abetted by Trump's mate the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman. Saudi and Iran hate each other. Mohammed bin Salman currently seems to be going out of his way to make Trump believe that Iran has nuclear weapons.

Anybody who makes a public announcement "I may do it. I may not do it. Nobody knows what I'm going to do" should be treated with caution.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 19-Jun-25 18:49:54

White House statement

“Based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision on whether or not to go within the next two weeks'”

I bet Netanyahu is not best pleased. But folk in Iran must be breathing a sigh of relief (and probably Israel)

AGAA4 Thu 19-Jun-25 19:28:14

Trump can change his mind in a moment so I won't be trusting this announcement.

Oreo Thu 19-Jun-25 21:19:04

silverlining48

I will be on the march in London on Saturday and will report back after. Am assuming it will be peaceful and know it won’t get a mention on the news.
I am not a spring chicken and it’s going to be very hot but I want to show support and hope I make it through to Downing Street.

Seriously, stay away, it’s maybe the hottest day of the year and I seem to remember you saying you’re over 80 on a thread.