AGAA4
Trump can change his mind in a moment so I won't be trusting this announcement.
No announcement by him can be trusted, he turns on a sixpence.
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Israel attack on Iran
(638 Posts)This is a serious situation. Netanyahu has gone against advice from the US and has attacked Iran.
Iran will retaliate and Israel has closed down today waiting for the attack.
Although the US has distanced itself from this only warning Iran not to target US bases it's inevitable that they may get pulled into this war.
Oh dear, just noticed a post on Facebook, not new, saying that Turkey was coming onside with Iran. There is a long list of 'why?' and it includes the genocide in Gaza.
Trump, latest I've seen, says he is waiting to see how negotiations get on. All could change again, depending on who he is speaking to.
Absolutely Oreo
Hope the Leaders in both countries allow the populations to have a quieter night.
Wyllow3
I have just sent this to the BBC News desk. The email address is easy to find by googling for a direct email. I'm asking people here to consider this or similar to news outlets?
"“Dear BBC News desk
Re...reporting on Gaza
Gaza is suffering terribly as we all know. There was proper and regular news coverage of the situation and tactful but balanced reporting of the current Israeli regimes' managing the complex hostage and aid situations
But since Israel started attacking Iran, honestly, I have not heard of the Gaza and hostage situation on news broadcasts
May I beg you, on behalf of all of us who care about the starving in Gaza, the situations I outline above, to resume reporting of what is happening in Gaza
It's not my place (nor the BBC's) to speculate whether the invasion of Iran was timed to stop reporting of Gaza
But please, please resume your balanced reporting on Gaza? Please let me know if you can and will do this
I feel the need to get the Gaza and hostage situation back in the news - anyone agree?
Yes, I do.
The starvation of Palestinians in Gaza is inhumane and just the worst thing I've seen in my lifetime.
Thankyou, I'm informing BBC of the same.
Thank you Sweetpeasue we can make a difference...well... try. 
Uk, French and German foreign ministers to hold talks with Iranian counterpart today in Geneva.
Talking is good
I can’t stand Starmer as a PM, as many will know but I wouldn’t resort to name calling because I actually think on a personal level he is a nice person. Believe it or not. Just so those accusing me of name calling know.
nanna8
I can’t stand Starmer as a PM, as many will know but I wouldn’t resort to name calling because I actually think on a personal level he is a nice person. Believe it or not. Just so those accusing me of name calling know.
He's not your PM, so it doesn't matter if you can stand him or not.
Quote nanna8 Fri 20-Jun-25 07:36:34
I can’t stand Starmer as a PM, as many will know but I wouldn’t resort to name calling because I actually think on a personal level he is a nice person. Believe it or not. Just so those accusing me of name calling know.
He isn’t your PM
The UK hasn’t bathed itself in glory with the recent bunch of prime ministers- you would almost think that the role needed revamping maybe along the lines of the French system of President and Prime Minister? Sharing the misery of power …..
nanna8
I can’t stand Starmer as a PM, as many will know but I wouldn’t resort to name calling because I actually think on a personal level he is a nice person. Believe it or not. Just so those accusing me of name calling know.
Not sure arguments like this have much to add to the discussion about the potential slaughter of thousands of innocents.
growstuff and Whitewvemark2 I think nanna8 has as much right to like or dislike the UK’s PM as anyone.
The N & P threads are littered with U.K. gransnetters criticising POTUS Trump, POTUS Biden, various European and Middle Eastern leaders…
I am glad that Starmer is trying to use diplomacy and will be talking to Iran along with other European leaders. De-escalating the situation is the way forward. We don't want the UK pulled into this war by the US.
GrannyGravy13
growstuff and Whitewvemark2 I think nanna8 has as much right to like or dislike the UK’s PM as anyone.
The N & P threads are littered with U.K. gransnetters criticising POTUS Trump, POTUS Biden, various European and Middle Eastern leaders…
I am not saying that she doesn’t have the right - merely suggesting that it doesn’t advance the discussion relating to the OP
An extract from an article written by Geraint Hughes of Kings College talking about the legal ramifications of the U.K. entering the fray.
“The key question for Starmer and his ministers will not be whether Britain could back a US war against Iran but whether it should. After the debacle of the Iraq war and the ensuing Chilcot inquiry, it is difficult to see how any government – let alone a Labour one – can take Britain into a major interstate conflict on this scale without firm parliamentary support and a solid case in international law.
To this end, the Attorney General Richard Hermer has reportedly questioned the legality of Israel’s preemptive attack on Iran, and has argued that any British military intervention should be limited to the defence of its allies.
We should not forget that Starmer was a human rights lawyer and the head of the Crown Prosecution Service before he became a politician.
Another legacy of Iraq is that it is customary (though not a legal requirement) for prime ministers to seek parliamentary approval for any major military operation. David Cameron lost a vote in the House of Commons to approve airstrikes against Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria in August 2013. But he gained parliamentary support for Britain’s commitment to the fight against Islamic State in 2015.
A similar debate now is unlikely to lead to approval of British military intervention in this case. Within the Labour party, there is already widespread condemnation of Israeli tactics and Palestinian civilian casualties in Gaza.
There is little popular appetite for sending British sailors and airmen into a war with Iran. And, given the US vice-president’s own dismissive comments about the military experiences of European allies, the public is also entitled to ask why British servicemen should die or risk breaching international law for an administration that probably will not appreciate their sacrifice”
AGAA4
I am glad that Starmer is trying to use diplomacy and will be talking to Iran along with other European leaders. De-escalating the situation is the way forward. We don't want the UK pulled into this war by the US.
I hope so, I wouldn’t like to see the U.K. fighting in the Middle East again.
So what if he isn't Nanas prime minister, I hold particular views on the leaders of many countries, some of whom I loathe. There are many people on here expressing a view on Trump.
Whitewavemark2 I hope Geraint Hughes is correct on this, also I am keeping everything crossed that the PM will not blindly follow the US like Tony Blair.
It's worrying that the only place this mountain busting bomb can be launched from is Diego Garcia which is a military base run by US and UK.
If Trump wants to do this it will bring the UK into this conflict.
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GrannyGravy13
growstuff and Whitewvemark2 I think nanna8 has as much right to like or dislike the UK’s PM as anyone.
The N & P threads are littered with U.K. gransnetters criticising POTUS Trump, POTUS Biden, various European and Middle Eastern leaders…
Yes, she does, but her comment was hardly constructive.
Galaxy
So what if he isn't Nanas prime minister, I hold particular views on the leaders of many countries, some of whom I loathe. There are many people on here expressing a view on Trump.
And I am entitled to express my of a post.
growstuff
GrannyGravy13
growstuff and Whitewvemark2 I think nanna8 has as much right to like or dislike the UK’s PM as anyone.
The N & P threads are littered with U.K. gransnetters criticising POTUS Trump, POTUS Biden, various European and Middle Eastern leaders…Yes, she does, but her comment was hardly constructive.
Totally off piste. if posts on the N & P boards were limited to those which were constructive there would be considerable shorter threads.
GrannyGravy13
Whitewavemark2 I hope Geraint Hughes is correct on this, also I am keeping everything crossed that the PM will not blindly follow the US like Tony Blair.
No I really don’t think that Starmer is another Blair. Largely because of his legal background, and quite honestly because he is decent.
I know it doesn’t appear fashionable to follow the rule of law in warfare atm, but I have faith that the U.K. will stand firm.
That is not to say that Starmer isn’t faced with a massive headache though.
We know that Trump has said that Europe is no longer a US priority when it comes to defence, and that NATO is certainly not labour of the month with him. And yet although it might stick in the crawl, we are dependent entirely on the USA if we are facing Putin’s might.
It is balancing these things.
Being PM isn’t easy!
If Trump asks permission from Starmer to use the US/UK base to fly that bomb to Iran what do you think Starmer will do?
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