Israel attack on Iran

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

growstuff and Whitewvemark2 I think nanna8 has as much right to like or dislike the UK’s PM as anyone.

The N & P threads are littered with U.K. gransnetters criticising POTUS Trump, POTUS Biden, various European and Middle Eastern leaders…

Yes, she does, but her comment was hardly constructive.

Totally off piste. if posts on the N & P boards were limited to those which were constructive there would be considerable shorter threads.

Maybe not such a bad thing!

growstuff😹

The thing is, if the UK goes to war we over here will be dragged in ,too. We can’t stand on our own two feet in that respect. I admire the Kiwis because they seem to have a bit more independence than we do.

And I am entitled to express my opinion about those posts.

Your PM will need to make a decision then, nanna8. What do you think he will do?

AGAA4

If Trump asks permission from Starmer to use the US/UK base to fly that bomb to Iran what do you think Starmer will do?

Honestly. If it was based on the rule of law? Then he has to say no I think. Israel’s pre-emptive strike is highly questionable and, taken to court would almost certainly be shown to be illegal under the rules of warfare, according to lawyers dealing in these matters.

But it won’t be.

Starmer is aware of this, but at the same time the UKs interest is paramount, and whether keeping Trump sweet is more important, and whether by doing so we can guarantee his assistance should we need it - who knows.

The other issue is whether it would pass in the HoC.

I think the answer may be no.

I hope the answer would be no. Meanwhile, Trump seems to be still going along the talks route and trying for a deal. He will get a mighty push back from his MAGA supporters if he takes America into a foreign war.

I certainly hope so Whitewave as Israel started this war they should be left to fight it without aid from other countries.
I wouldn't want our military losing their lives for the sake of Israel. They don't deserve help in attacking another country.

Quote AGAA4 Fri 20-Jun-25 09:04:02
I certainly hope so Whitewave as Israel started this war they should be left to fight it without aid from other countries.
I wouldn't want our military losing their lives for the sake of Israel. They don't deserve help in attacking another country.

‘losing their lives for the sake of Israel ‘ !

As much as I dislike the current Iranian regime, I wouldn’t like to see U.K. boots on the ground or planes in the air.

I can still remember the day our eldest AC was on their way to Kuwait (1994) instead of being at home for their youngest two siblings christenings. What should have been a joyous occasion was tinged with fear and trepidation. I do not want other parents to go through those feelings due to Israel’s decision.

(Before anyone wades in with its their choice to join the armed forces I am well aware of that, but it doesn’t diminish the feelings of family members, rational or not!)

nanna8

I can’t stand Starmer as a PM, as many will know but I wouldn’t resort to name calling because I actually think on a personal level he is a nice person. Believe it or not. Just so those accusing me of name calling know.

Yet you called him ‘stupid’!

GrannyGravy13

As much as I dislike the current Iranian regime, I wouldn’t like to see U.K. boots on the ground or planes in the air.

I can still remember the day our eldest AC was on their way to Kuwait (1994) instead of being at home for their youngest two siblings christenings. What should have been a joyous occasion was tinged with fear and trepidation. I do not want other parents to go through those feelings due to Israel’s decision.

(Before anyone wades in with its their choice to join the armed forces I am well aware of that, but it doesn’t diminish the feelings of family members, rational or not!)

Yes, it is a whole different ball game if the U.K. was under attack, or we were going to the aid of an a. Who had been attacked. But neither is true.

Going to war under a very questionable legal position happened in Iraq and we know how that has ended. We can’t make the same mistake again.

Saying all that - if it was a member of my family I would be so very fearful, regardless of the circumstances. Of course I would.

Allie! Not a. Not sure what happened there.

The ghost of the 'Special Relationship' myth will be invoked again.

I have great admiration for our armed forces who will give their lives for "king and country" but aiding Israel in this attack on Iran with unproven claims of nuclear weapons?
No.

Perhaps there will be 2 weeks grace, while chess pieces are moved into place and warmongers vie for Trump's ear.
Meanwhile, yes more Palestinians slaughtered in the past 24 hours as they try to get aid.

Once bitten, twice shy? We have already jumped to the 'weapons of mass destruction' call to arms.

Yes, GG13, youngsters may chose to join the armed forces but unfortunately it isn't they who chose which war.

“Dozens more Palestinians were killed or injured in Gaza as they sought desperately needed aid on Thursday, with reports that Israeli forces close to one distribution point had opened fire, the third such incident in as many days.

More than a hundred people have been reported killed since Monday while either trying to reach aid points or waiting to stop and offload the limited number of UN and commercial trucks entering the devastated territory. There have been about 20 such incidents in the last four weeks.

Gaza’s civil defence agency said Israeli fire killed 15 people and wounded 60 between the town of Nuseirat and in the centre of Gaza early on Thursday morning after thousands had gathered in the hope of receiving rations”

Guardian

Meanwhile - on "reasons" for war - I gather Iran said pretty recently (2023) that they have 8.5 million tons of lithium on their land (ie the 2nd largest stash in the world).

Has anyone any info. on that topic? - as it obviously gives the money-grubbers of this world (eg Trump) an extra little reason to go in there...

LizzieDrip

nanna8

I can’t stand Starmer as a PM, as many will know but I wouldn’t resort to name calling because I actually think on a personal level he is a nice person. Believe it or not. Just so those accusing me of name calling know.

Yet you called him ‘stupid’!

You can be stupid and nice, can’t you .Maybe you are so judgemental you can’t in your circle. Meanwhile, back to the matter in hand, Iran is not at all like Iraq. They are very well educated and advanced whether or not you agree with their leadership . I really wouldn’t underestimate them if I were Trump. They are a land of exquisite poetry and song.

I think there are doubts about the effectiveness of the bunker buster bombs and that will give Mr Trump pause.

Anniebach

Quote AGAA4 Fri 20-Jun-25 09:04:02
I certainly hope so Whitewave as Israel started this war they should be left to fight it without aid from other countries.
I wouldn't want our military losing their lives for the sake of Israel. They don't deserve help in attacking another country.

‘losing their lives for the sake of Israel ‘ !

Do you have grandsons of conscription age? I do, and I certainly would not wish for any of them being forced to fight for any war, but massively more so for a war not of our making, that another country started. Netanyahu has been on the war footing against Iran since 1995- threatening imminent access to Nuclear arms. Be it Israel, or anyother country that goes and starts a war wihout our approval.

I would not wish for them to have to go and fight in Ukraine- but I would find it perhaps somewhat 'easier'- because Russia attacked it, and because it it right over our European border, putting us all in the direct next line.

If Iran have reinforced the bomb area well then the bunker buster will not destroy it.
I wonder how much money one of these bunker busters costs and personnel to use it? I don't think many in the US expected this.

AGAA4

If Iran have reinforced the bomb area well then the bunker buster will not destroy it.
I wonder how much money one of these bunker busters costs and personnel to use it? I don't think many in the US expected this.

This is of course a bomb area which the say they don’t have, presumably secret surveillance (Mossad) knows it exists.
Anything that has been built can be destroyed. The bomb is no more complex than any guided munitions that the US uses but does weigh 13 tons so only the B2 bomber can deploy it. Will they fly from Diego Garcia?, maybe but they don’t need to, the B2 has global reach from the US.