Israel attack on Iran

Maybe you are so judgemental

Mm, judgemental🤔

I agree with others on this thread. Israel started this war and if the USA wants to assist them that's up to them, but this is not a war we should even consider being a part of.

Smileless2012

I agree with others on this thread. Israel started this war and if the USA wants to assist them that's up to them, but this is not a war we should even consider being a part of.

Hear, hear👏👏👏

Just listening to Aljazeera, which is describing the missiles from both protagonists going over countries that are not involved.

I’m not sure that I would be happy. Jordan alone said that it has been hit over 100 times with missiles or pieces of missiles that have gone wrong from both sides. Children have been hit and are now in hospital apparently.

I would refuse them both air space if it was possible.

(I’m not being lazy but my back is bad and I’m doing a bit resting a bit etc😊)

Just as an aside I think that Palestinian Action - ridiculous damage to RAF fighter jets is both self defeating and a risk to our security.

Agreed. Really does not help at all!

Whitewavemark2

Just as an aside I think that Palestinian Action - ridiculous damage to RAF fighter jets is both self defeating and a risk to our security.

Very embarrassing for RAF police, too busy in the mess hall I expect, no excuses in these tense circumstances.

Whitewavemark2

Just as an aside I think that Palestinian Action - ridiculous damage to RAF fighter jets is both self defeating and a risk to our security.

Some heads will roll for this…

The Palestinian group thought that the aircraft were being used to aid Israel by refuelling but they don't do that so they have made a mistake and hopefully will be caught.

Whitewavemark2

Just as an aside I think that Palestinian Action - ridiculous damage to RAF fighter jets is both self defeating and a risk to our security.

Are they really that thick?
(Answers on a postcard.)

The RAF was delivering aid to Gaza and would again as soon as they are allowed to do so.

Stupid, stupid people.

www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/uk-participates-in-largest-international-aid-drop-into-gaza1/

I suppose when you join the armed forces, you are aware of what may lie ahead of you.
I'm sorry I don't buy this " King and Country " thing.
They go where they are told and do what they need to.
That's how it works I think?

Sorry for any families worrying.

Yes, but they're barely out of their teens when they join up. And haven't you seen those exciting ads, to entice them?

Maremia

Yes, but they're barely out of their teens when they join up. And haven't you seen those exciting ads, to entice them?

So I take it you don't agree with defence?

Maremia

Yes, but they're barely out of their teens when they join up. And haven't you seen those exciting ads, to entice them?

Exactly, with many schools hosting recruitment fun for Cadets from a very young age. A fabulous opportunity, especially for poor families, to do fun stuff, fun activities, even camps, climbng, skiing even. Without having any idea of the possible price.

Does not mean I don't agree with defence at all. Children should not be clearly targetted. And all joinng should be fully aware of the possible price to pay.

When my DH was young, he was offered sponsorship, even pay, when doing his medical studies. Immigrant family and very little money. And straight to Officer rank. I am so so gad he turned it down, as tempting as it was at the time. Hs father served in the SA Medical Corps during WW2, what he had to do as a junior surgeon left him changed, very deeply, forever and he died young.

Maremia

Yes, but they're barely out of their teens when they join up. And haven't you seen those exciting ads, to entice them?

The modern forces encourage new recruits to continue with further education, A levels, Degrees etc.,

They teach them so much more than how to fire a gun or load a missile launcher.

The U.K. has training bases around the world, and the majority of recruits visit them all.

Yes, they do, and that is the whole point. Many join up to get sponsorship, my OH would even have been paid during his studies, and travel, and sport, and fun, lots of fun.

But the price has to be repaid. I remember some of my students saying 'ah but there won't be any more wars now' - and how many since then? I lost several int he Falklands and it has hardly stopped since.

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

Yes, but they're barely out of their teens when they join up. And haven't you seen those exciting ads, to entice them?

The modern forces encourage new recruits to continue with further education, A levels, Degrees etc.,

They teach them so much more than how to fire a gun or load a missile launcher.

The U.K. has training bases around the world, and the majority of recruits visit them all.

I'm sure there are many interesting things on offer but it is a choice of career. And firing a missile launcher may be part of the role.

They are not Tommy's signing up for the King's shilling.

I worked in public service and as a social worker over many years and it was very common for troubled 16 year old school leavers, mostly boys, also those leaving care at a similar age wanting to join the forces, mostly the army.
Their home lives had been chaotic and they saw this as an opportunity to get away and be looked after at the same time, but the problems arose after they left service and many ended up in prison or homeless. This was 70s/80 s and I hope things have changed now, but it was very sad to see how difficult it was for some of them to settle back and many ended up in prison or on the streets. They just couldn’t cope having been looked after for so much of their lives, so paying rent, budgeting, managing life generally wasn’t something they had had to do before.

Yes the understanding of 'choice' again and how limited choice is for some.

And many went on to have successful careers after being in the Forces too.

I know quite a few and they are quite aware of the difficulties some of today's young people have and have the expertise to help them.

Because of the work I was doing I only saw those for whom it hadn’t worked. Obviously there were those who made a success of their lives, but too many didn’t unfortunately.

I believe in the defence of our nation, not in the wasteful expenditure of young lives for old men's wars. For Trump and Netanyahu...no thanks.
And for those who make it to Officer Class and great success, there are many many more who don't.

Meanwhile, on CNN, and article about Iran in talks with Europe...hopeful.
But, also an article about Putin and Xi being in accord over Iran...not so hopeful.
Post on Facebook stating that when Trump can't (be bothered to) make up his mind, he always gives the topic a two week wait.

There's always a chance that they can be drawn into a war. How many military personnel have been killed and had life changing injuries over the years.
It may sound like a good career and for some it may be but there are many who have been traumatised by being involved in a war.
I know a few who have had a hard time after being shot at by the Taliban.

I sincerely hope that there are no other military families reading this thread.

I am utterly disgusted, shocked and disappointed at the lack of respect, support and compassion for our armed.

You will all be begging for them if we are attacked by an enemy…