Israel to conquer Gaza. Part 3

With the amount of ongoing violence against the Palestinians by the IDF many of whom are young conscripts, I wonder if in the future how they might be affected psychologically by what they have witnessed and what they have done to so many thousands of innocent people.

There will always be some PTSD amongst combatants in any war or conflict, exceptions are the thousand or so hamas of course who gloried in what they did to over a thousand innocent people and no doubt continued to do until they were killed by the IDF.
Normal people do what they have to do but don’t enjoy it.

Oreo

No small children are deliberately shot. The wild claims on here are getting worse.
What I do think is that the IDF need to be a lot more careful now in their targeting of hamas, the latest drone attack killed a senior hamas figure involved in the October massacre in Israel but also killed others nearby.This kind of targeting needs to be very precise, especially now when hamas is all but defeated.

Yes, with their superior intelligence network and technical skills, it is difficult to understand why the IDF wait until a Hamas target walks into a cafe or is in the vicinity of a line of women and children before striking. The IDF must know that apologies after the event won't deflect the criticism that the intention was to cause maximum casualties. It doesn't make sense.

What is presented on the news about hospitals in Gaza cannot be taken with any certainty of it being the truth.Some is and some isn’t.

Parsley3 their intelligence is from agents inside Gaza and will be difficult as to where a target is at the time I should think.
A drone strike on a cafe or a car is easier than a person stood in the street.It isn’t about causing maximum casualties on purpose it’s about it being the sure way to get the people you want to get but even so I think the time has come for more precision .

Anniebach a nurse murdered babies but nobody thinks every nurse in the NHS should get the sack.

Some entertainers were paedophiles but nobody thinks all entertainers are paedophiles.

Some UN workers were criminals but nobody thinks all UN workers are criminals.

Who has taught you the ideas you have?

Oreo wrote: " I think the time has come for more precision ."

I 'm a housebound 93 year old, and even I thought so years ago. So why would you think clever politicians in the Knesset did not think to be more precise as to who they chose to kill?

Oreo wrote: "No small children are deliberately shot."

But one does not fire an army grade gun in the market place and tell the policeman one did not mean to hurt anyone

Oreo wrote: "Normal people do what they have to do but don’t enjoy it."

Soldiers , and whole populations are persuaded that some people are subhuman. Brutality becomes normalised, and indeed gloried in.

Except perhaps the 5 year old in the car begging for help. They shot that little child. They do kill children no doubt.

AGAA4

Except perhaps the 5 year old in the car begging for help. They shot that little child. They do kill children no doubt.

And that was just the beginning…

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All the soldiers will have seen was movement within the car.
Children are not targeted on purpose except by hamas.

Caleo

Oreo wrote: "Normal people do what they have to do but don’t enjoy it."

Soldiers , and whole populations are persuaded that some people are subhuman. Brutality becomes normalised, and indeed gloried in.

Absolutely

Oreo wrote: "What made this so difficult for the IDF is that hamas aren’t always easy to identify and can be anywhere, and those who support them can be in any job."

So what? That is not sufficient excuse for firing into a crowd of civilians. There are international rules for warfare you know Oreo.

International Committee of the Red Cross:-
The main purpose of international humanitarian law (IHL) is to maintain some humanity in armed conflicts, saving lives and reducing suffering.

To do that, IHL regulates how wars are fought, balancing two aspects: weakening the enemy and limiting suffering.

The rules of war are universal. The Geneva Conventions (which are the core element of IHL) have been ratified by all 196 states. Very few international treaties have this level of support.

Everyone fighting a war needs to respect IHL, both governmental forces and non-State armed groups.

If the rules of war are broken, there are consequences. War crimes are documented and investigated by States and international courts. Individuals can be prosecuted for war crimes.
The main purpose of international humanitarian law (IHL) is to maintain some humanity in armed conflicts, saving lives and reducing suffering.

To do that, IHL regulates how wars are fought, balancing two aspects: weakening the enemy and limiting suffering.

The rules of war are universal. The Geneva Conventions (which are the core element of IHL) have been ratified by all 196 states. Very few international treaties have this level of support.

Everyone fighting a war needs to respect IHL, both governmental forces and non-State armed groups.

If the rules of war are broken, there are consequences. War crimes are documented and investigated by States and international courts. Individuals can be prosecuted for war crimes.

Caleo

Oreo wrote: "Normal people do what they have to do but don’t enjoy it."

Soldiers , and whole populations are persuaded that some people are subhuman. Brutality becomes normalised, and indeed gloried in.

Not sub human but definitely the enemy in war situations.
I would say that with the exceptions of a few, soldiers do not glory in brutality.
If you are a pacifist then you won’t agree with any violence, tho I’ve always thought cynically that pacifists are happy to allow others to do it on their behalf.
The IDF are no different to our own armed forces in that they have military objectives to achieve, sometimes make mistakes and have to obey orders.

Why believe all hamas propaganda that the IDF fire into groups of civilians?
Where it happens and if it happens what’s to say the group aren’t hamas or hamas supporters?
If soldiers fire warning shots in the air and a group ignores it and comes close then soldiers will fire on them.
It’s a war.

And regardless of what you or I think, Israel has its objectives and will carry on until hamas is no more and can’t ever be a credible threat again.

The IDF are not like our British soldiers. Our soldiers don't kill hundreds of children.
I believe knowing that people like Ben Gvir and Smotrich are in the government that the IDF are encouraged to kill as many as they can.
Those 2 and others don't care at all about the lives of Palestinians and have said they want to cleanse Gaza.
These killings are often passed off as mistakes.
Supposed to be highly trained soldiers. I don't believe they make so many mistakes.

Oreo wrote:

"The IDF are no different to our own armed forces "

Do you contest that the British Army observes the international laws of warfare.?

Quote Caleo Fri 11-Jul-25 18:21:42
Anniebach a nurse murdered babies but nobody thinks every nurse in the NHS should get the sack.

Some entertainers were paedophiles but nobody thinks all entertainers are paedophiles.

Some UN workers were criminals but nobody thinks all UN workers are criminals.

Who has taught you the ideas you have?

You do overdo the dramatics , perhaps the heat ?

There were several UN aid workers involved in the attack
7th October 2023 on Israel, some, not all got that ?

Oreo wrote:

"And regardless of what you or I think, Israel has its objectives and will carry on until hamas is no more and can’t ever be a credible threat again."

Probably. But might still isn't right.

Anniebach addressed me:
"You do overdo the dramatics , perhaps the heat ?"

Hot or cold I could write of many more dramas . Evil is a bottomless pit.

AGAA4

The IDF are not like our British soldiers. Our soldiers don't kill hundreds of children.
I believe knowing that people like Ben Gvir and Smotrich are in the government that the IDF are encouraged to kill as many as they can.
Those 2 and others don't care at all about the lives of Palestinians and have said they want to cleanse Gaza.
These killings are often passed off as mistakes.
Supposed to be highly trained soldiers. I don't believe they make so many mistakes.

Bombs kill anyone in the vicinity either directly or from falling masonry.
If we are ever in a war situation, and we will be at some point then it’s inevitable that children somewhere will be killed.
On the IDF, a lot of them are conscripts so not so highly trained as regular soldiers.
The two men you mention in government are very right wing but can’t tell the army to kill as many as they can, that’s just an idea in your own mind.

Caleo

Oreo wrote:

"The IDF are no different to our own armed forces "

Do you contest that the British Army observes the international laws of warfare.?

Am sure it tries to, but we haven’t had that kind of war since the war with Germany 80 years ago.