Israel to conquer Gaza. Part 3

There will also be a knock on effect by recognising the illegality of Israeli settlers in a foreign country. They should be forced to leave the stolen land, never mind recompense those from whom they stole land and in many cases killed both people and livestock.

Israel's committing war crimes so realistically, what difference will it make to recognise Palestine as a sovereign state?

Here you are😊. An AI reply.

Recognizing Palestine as an independent state, while not resolving the conflict on its own, would offer several significant benefits. It would reaffirm the Palestinian people's right to self-determination and potentially revitalize stalled peace negotiations by creating a more balanced negotiating environment. It could also enhance Palestine's standing in international law, allowing it to pursue legal recourse for its claims and potentially lead to increased international aid and cooperation.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Symbolic and Political Impact:
Reaffirms Palestinian Right to Self-Determination:
Recognition acknowledges the Palestinian people's right to a sovereign state, a fundamental principle of international law.
Boosts Palestinian Standing:
It elevates Palestine's status on the world stage, allowing it to participate more fully in international forums and institutions.
Catalyst for Peace Negotiations:
It can create a more conducive environment for negotiations by providing a stronger foundation for Palestinian negotiators and potentially encouraging both sides to engage in meaningful dialogue.
Challenges the Status Quo:
Recognition can challenge the perception that the conflict is solely a matter for Israel and the Palestinians to resolve bilaterally, bringing in broader international perspectives.
Legal and Practical Implications:
Access to International Courts:
Recognition could allow Palestine to pursue legal claims in international courts, such as the International Court of Justice, regarding its territory and rights.
Increased International Cooperation:
It can facilitate increased cooperation with other countries on various fronts, including economic development, security, and cultural exchange.
Potential for Economic Development:
Recognition could attract more foreign investment and aid, helping to build a stronger Palestinian economy and improve living conditions.
Strengthened Governance:
Recognition can be accompanied by measures to strengthen Palestinian governance and institutions, potentially leading to greater stability and accountability.
Important Considerations:
Two-State Solution Framework:
Recognition is most effective when embedded within a broader framework of a two-state solution, where both Israel and Palestine exist as independent states.
Israeli Reactions:
Recognition can be met with resistance from Israel, as seen in the past with some countries recalling ambassadors.
Need for Continued Diplomacy:
Recognition is not a silver bullet and requires ongoing diplomatic efforts to ensure a peaceful and just resolution to the conflict.
Ultimately, recognizing Palestine as an independent state is a step towards fulfilling the aspirations of the Palestinian people and creating a more stable and just future for the region.

Thank you

The “Stand Up to Racism” organisation in Scotland has announced two pro-Israel groups are unwelcome at its annual march, citing their “justifying and applauding the actions of the state of Israel”.

In a statement posted on Twitter, SUTR Scotland’s steering committee said that it “wishes to publicly clarify beyond any doubt that the Glasgow Friends of Israel and the COFIS [Confederation of Friends of Israel in Scotland] groups are NOT WELCOME at SUTR events.

Been away on a mini break GNs . Back now all refreshed. Thanks Whitewave for that very detailed post from from the AI source.
Couldn't respond to posts while away, but spotted some really weird comments on a different thread. I know we are not supposed to quote from other threads, but the posts I have in mind were about Posters on THIS thread, and it could explain why, despite so much evidence of cruelty, war crimes and genocide, there are Posters who cannot accept that what we are saying is true.

Glad you enjoyed your break Maremia. Those posters were breaking guidelines if they were discussing posters on this thread and yes despite compelling evidence they refuse to believe it.

Some months ago, Annieb asked about the responsability of those who remain silent in the face of a genocide. I didn't reply at the time, but I will now. Those who remain silent now that there is no excuse whatsoever for not knowing that this genocide IS taking place, and with the support of our Goverment, the USA and the 'West' in general, are complicit. Much more so those who deliberately and repeatedly deny that this is happening and try to shut the truth down. They become active participants, with their words and denial, and every attempt to shut down the truth. Just like those who refused to see, and even condoned, what happened in the diabolical events of the 1940s

Hear, hear Claremont.

AGAA4

Glad you enjoyed your break Maremia. Those posters were breaking guidelines if they were discussing posters on this thread and yes despite compelling evidence they refuse to believe it.

Which posters and which thread? I haven’t seen this at all.

Anniebach

The “Stand Up to Racism” organisation in Scotland has announced two pro-Israel groups are unwelcome at its annual march, citing their “justifying and applauding the actions of the state of Israel”.

In a statement posted on Twitter, SUTR Scotland’s steering committee said that it “wishes to publicly clarify beyond any doubt that the Glasgow Friends of Israel and the COFIS [Confederation of Friends of Israel in Scotland] groups are NOT WELCOME at SUTR events.

It’s ironic isn’t it that stand up to racism chooses to close out Jews.Am not in the least bit surprised tho.

Oreo I haven't seen the thread in question but if as Maremia said then it was wrong to discuss posters from a different thread or at all.

I agree it’s wrong but would prefer proof by stating which thread so this statement can be checked out.

Oreo Mon 21-Jul-25 14:29:44
Anniebach
The “Stand Up to Racism” organisation in Scotland has announced two pro-Israel groups are unwelcome at its annual march, citing their “justifying and applauding the actions of the state of Israel”.

In a statement posted on Twitter, SUTR Scotland’s steering committee said that it “wishes to publicly clarify beyond any doubt that the Glasgow Friends of Israel and the COFIS [Confederation of Friends of Israel in Scotland] groups are NOT WELCOME at SUTR events.
It’s ironic isn’t it that stand up to racism chooses to close out Jews.Am not in the least bit surprised tho.

Frightening me, there must be much distress, fear , much horror in Jewish Communities

Ridiculous, but when it comes Scotland anything's possible; just look at the trans debacle.

SUTR banned the Israeli groups for justifying the actions of Israel.
As it's a group that stands up to racism it could be misinterpreted and was not the right thing to do.

Anniebach never any mention of the distress fear and horror of the Gazan people who are again being moved on with nowhere left to go while Israel flattens what's left of their homes.

Quote AGAA4 Mon 21-Jul-25 14:48:37
SUTR banned the Israeli groups for justifying the actions of Israel.
As it's a group that stands up to racism it could be misinterpreted and was not the right thing to do

“Could be misinterpreted” is definitely not 100%, it’s ones personal stand on racism , banning is 100% support of antisemitism

Groups that support genocide should be banned even if they are Jewish. I have read the reasons for the banning of these groups and they are justified.

It's not antisemitism Anniebach.

So not closing out Jews AGAA and it appears that the decision is open to misinterpretation.

It isn't antisemitism Annie it's the refusal to support genocide.

Smileless2012

So not closing out Jews AGAA and it appears that the decision is open to misinterpretation.

This what has happened. They gave their reasons for closing out the Israeli groups and are immediately accused of antisemitism.
It's the usual card played.

In the opinions here as expected, it isn’t antisemitism, in my opinion it is antisemitism

Is it against the rules to quote from another post? I don't want to be led into beaking the rules, just because someone on this thread asks me to do so.
Perhaps I should search out this now 'dropped' thread and challenge it from there.
So, I find the thread, and then the posts, because the intial accusation was agreed with and repeated, bring it to the attention of the Admins, and my reason for doing so, and leave it up to the Admins?
That's the correct procedure?

You can quote from another post but not another thread in my understanding. If you have seen anybody discussing other posters it does then the moderators need to know * Maremia*