Resident (Junior) Doctors vote to strike

Just an aside for those of you who say, but they knew the salary when they decided to become a doctor. My daughter started her training as a graduate entrant with a first class honours degree from a first class uni in 2010. By the time she qualified a doctors salary had eroded by nearly 15%, during her foundation years it eroded by a further 3%, by the time she had passed her part one specialist training it had eroded by a further 8%. How on earth would she have known that when she started the difficult and competitive journey of becoming a doctor? She's a very clever dedicated young woman but she's not psychic.

foxie48 and her private practice income potentially is?

ronib

*Iam64*no of course not. However a successful working career as a gp with 3 children doesn’t always work out for everyone. Interesting to see that female medics of a menopausal age do sometimes resign according to AI. In fact I seem to know more doctors leaving the profession than staying the course…..

All the more reason they need to earn more then if they are going to be scuppered by being a mere woman.

Nothing to do with salary more likely very difficult to run a household, three small children and a very demanding job… with husband working Christmas Day etc icanhandthemback

Learning (constantly) on the job.
Doctors say it’s “see one, do one, teach one”.
Sharing of knowledge. ✔️

Resident doctor strikes are poised to cost Britain almost £13m for each day of walkouts, according to the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR).

Crikey.
Add in longer waiting lists too after the 5 days.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Resident doctor strikes are poised to cost Britain almost £13m for each day of walkouts, according to the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR).

Crikey.
Add in longer waiting lists too after the 5 days.

We're only just beginning to cut waiting lists and the NHS took a long time to recover from the pandemic, so the BMA have decided to move us back to square one. I think the government should give the resident doctors a decent pay rise, then ban them from going on strike.

It is like giving into a blackmailer. They will always be back to demand more.

ronib

foxie48 and her private practice income potentially is?

She doesn't have any and doesn't intend to do private work. Many consultants don't do private work sometimes because they are politically opposed to it, some just don't want to do it and others work in specialisms that don't attract private patients. To base someone's salary on what they might earn working outside the normal job is neither sensible nor moral as well as being highly discriminatory. Actually as I have said at the start of this thread, I don't support the BMA in this latest wage claim and neither does my daughter, she won't strike this time round but she does say that she is underpaid for the level of responsibility that she has. This week she has been on nights overseeing a cardiac ITU looking after patients who are seriously ill or who have had eg open heart surgery etc. She intends to combine Obstetrics with general surgery as she really loves helping women give birth safely and as comfortably as possible. Not much call for private work in that area, Ronib fortunately like many doctors she's not motivated by money.

Thanks for posting foxie48 it’s uplifting to read that someone cares - not that your daughter should be disadvantaged for caring…..

I’m not sure who you are talking about working on Christmas Day, ronib.

ronib, I think your taking the watzit with your comments suggesting fathers take no part in childcare.
GPs are leaving in droves, going part time and retiring early. It’s not all menopause related.
It’s the disdain with which staff were treatedvand neglect of the health service over the 14 years.

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It is like giving into a blackmailer. They will always be back to demand more.

I can see the government giving them a bigger pay rise to buy them off this year, but saying next year the resident doctors might only get 3%. Still of the opinion doctors, nurses and paramedics, who are an emergency service, shouldn't be allowed to strike.

Iam64 there’s no size fits all - some fathers will be very hands on and share responsibility for childcare whereas a few others won’t. There’s nothing written in stone on this. It’s the luck of the draw to some extent.

I know this ronib. You seem determined to keep young mothers in the 1950s

Iam64 no no not at all. Some mothers simply do not have the same support systems as others - an observation and not a wish. Actually child care provision was pretty non existent in the 80s as well if I remember.

It wasn’t ronib, I had an excellent child minder from 18 ,
Months to 11 years of age. She was 70 today, her daughter, the same age as mine, invited us all to her secret party.
Child minders were assessed by a specialist from children’s services. Now the expectations are as fir nursery staff
Then - I wanted someone who would do the things I would if not at work. Auntie J had two dogs Like we did, she baked, gardened, went to the park, did snacks and homework at 4pm. We took our two girls each to the same swimming and pony riding groups

One daughter is I imagine a lot easier to manage than three boys or girls Iam64. Also not cost effective to pay out for three or more children. Glad it worked out for you and your daughter Iam64

No I had three daughters

Agreed Pably. Unfortunately with football and any sport it all comes down to how many people they entertain and because millions are willing to pay, and they are the top 1% best at it, they get paid for that skill, whereas there is no shortage of people who will be a doctor for 100k per year. ITs unfair how the world works but ultimately we the people are responsible for the crazy fees these sports people get paid because we watch it.

My son is paying £7 an hour to his childminder for one child (£1,200 a month) plus hefty after school club fees for the other. It really does eat into disposable income. I imagine to get back to the thread, that resident doctors will find childcare for a full working week quite expensive.

ronib

My son is paying £7 an hour to his childminder for one child (£1,200 a month) plus hefty after school club fees for the other. It really does eat into disposable income. I imagine to get back to the thread, that resident doctors will find childcare for a full working week quite expensive.

Yes ronib, which is of course why they should be paid at a rate commensurate with other similar nations. Full circle.

Exactly Casdon. It’s also why child care should be both outstanding and subsidised

fullfact.org/health/bma-junior-doctors-hourly-pay

Dog trainers charge £50 or £60 per hour. Dog boarding £60 for each dog overnight. Cleaners and gardeners £30 -£50
Personal Trainers £50 per hour. My hair stylist drives a Ferrari

Yes, they’re self employed so need to insure and set up pension plans. They’re in charge of their work life balance and much less likely to be verbally or physically assaulted than a doc in A and E