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Shadow Cabinet Reshuffle

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Casdon Tue 22-Jul-25 10:12:12

The good news this morning is that Kemi Badenoch is shortly to announce a shadow cabinet reshuffle. It’s expected that James Cleverly will return to the front bench, and possibly some other prominent former ministers. I hope this is a sign that they are moving forward and can form the credible opposition we need, not just to challenge the government but to help put some of the Reform pie in the sky politicking to bed. Fingers crossed.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 22-Jul-25 10:21:12

She is taking a risk.

Her time is limited and Cleverly will definitely be a front runner.

ronib Tue 22-Jul-25 10:27:03

Cleverly isn’t going to stop Farage increasing his chances. Ben Habib is critical of Farage but I don’t think even he will make much of a difference. In 4 years time, this country will be desperate for real change I guess. An effective Labour government would be the best response to Farage ….

Casdon Tue 22-Jul-25 10:40:18

Cleverly is high profile and well thought of. He is a strong personality, and won’t stand nonsense. I disagree with ronib, in that I can see him and the government mounting simultaneous attacks on Farage, specifically about his wild claims of utopia, which hasn’t been possible with Badenoch.

I hope you are right Whitewavemark, he’s not my favourite politician, but he is definitely credible.

ronib Tue 22-Jul-25 10:48:14

The trouble is that Farage is more than capable of repudiating any criticism from Cleverly. Cleverly is also a reminder from the past. The Conservatives do stand on their record in government and this will give Farage an advantage. Voters will be desperate four years down the line if Labour doesn’t step up and really improve Britain. That’s the best way to deter Farage.

Casdon Tue 22-Jul-25 11:21:51

Do you think? I don’t, I think the combination of Labour and stronger Tory will work.;

ronib Tue 22-Jul-25 11:23:14

Time will tell. I admire optimism Casdon even if misplaced.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 22-Jul-25 11:24:49

I think it’s a toxic brand now. Tainted anyway. Voters have long memories and 14 years of Tory promises not being kept won’t just wash away with the soap suds.

Casdon Tue 22-Jul-25 11:33:26

ronib

Time will tell. I admire optimism Casdon even if misplaced.

Are you a foreigner to optimism though ronib? I find it sustains me.

ronib Tue 22-Jul-25 11:38:42

I have a husband who likes to be right as in correct. It must have some effect on my worldview…..*Casdon*.
In any event, you are dealing with imponderables. I don’t relish a government led by Farage but he definitely knows how to appeal to the masses. Starmer take note…. Please.

MaizieD Tue 22-Jul-25 11:39:06

I find myself in the very strange position of agreeing with both ronib and FGT

But I think so many people are disgusted by Reform that more progressive parties may have the edge.

I think, though, to avoid dominance by Reform Labour has to up its game and stop trying to be more right wing than the right or it has to introduce PR...

Grantanow Tue 22-Jul-25 11:46:23

Re-arranging the broken deckchairs while the Torytanic sinks below the electoral waves!

M0nica Tue 22-Jul-25 14:03:53

Grantanow

Re-arranging the broken deckchairs while the Torytanic sinks below the electoral waves!

Exactly

MaizieD Tue 22-Jul-25 14:11:18

If Labour doesn't rearrange a few deckchairs soon they will sink with the tories...

Sarnia Tue 22-Jul-25 14:16:45

Like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

vegansrock Tue 22-Jul-25 14:20:42

Why oh why does Farage get so much media coverage? The Lib Dem’s have 10xs more MPs , Greens have the same plus more councillors, would that they got the same attention.

JackieBee1 Tue 22-Jul-25 15:20:31

"vegansrock
Why oh why does Farage get so much media coverage? The Lib Dem’s have 10xs more MPs , Greens have the same plus more councillors, would that they got the same attention. "

This

LizzieDrip Tue 22-Jul-25 15:20:40

vegansrock

Why oh why does Farage get so much media coverage? The Lib Dem’s have 10xs more MPs , Greens have the same plus more councillors, would that they got the same attention.

Because it’s in the economic interests of the right wing, wealthy media oligarchs to promote Reform.

They have always promoted the Tories but see Reform as a better bet now.

At all costs the media elite do not want progressive parties, who might increase taxes for the wealthy etc, to succeed.

So, get Nigel on TV at every opportunity; get his views on everything; plaster his comments across newspaper front pages … make the electorate believe he’s far more credible than he actually is.

Propaganda … it works!

LizzieDrip Tue 22-Jul-25 15:28:56

MaizieD

I find myself in the very strange position of agreeing with both ronib and FGT

But I think so many people are disgusted by Reform that more progressive parties may have the edge.

I think, though, to avoid dominance by Reform Labour has to up its game and stop trying to be more right wing than the right or it has to introduce PR...

I agree MaizieD and others.

Labour needs to step up. It also needs to start shouting about the good things it’s done during its first year - which hardly anyone knows about.

The media will never sing Labour’s praises (surely Starmer knows that) so Labour needs to do it themselves!

GrannyGravy13 Tue 22-Jul-25 16:27:56

LizzieDrip Labour needs a decent comms team to get its message over including its achievements since coming to power.

MaizieD Tue 22-Jul-25 17:03:34

I'm afraid Labour's achievements are minimal and are affecting fewer people than those who wanted change.
Look at the nonsensical refusal to nationalise the failing water companies, deregulating finance when we all know what happened last time. Refusal to lift the 2 child benefit cap, keeping children in poverty. Inability to do anything about excessive charges for energy. Refusal to implement progressive taxation for the wealthy, apart from a few gestures, such as VAT on private schools. And didn't they row back on taxing non doms?

They're very disappointing. and nowhere near 'socialist'

Casdon Tue 22-Jul-25 17:03:36

LizzieDrip

vegansrock

Why oh why does Farage get so much media coverage? The Lib Dem’s have 10xs more MPs , Greens have the same plus more councillors, would that they got the same attention.

Because it’s in the economic interests of the right wing, wealthy media oligarchs to promote Reform.

They have always promoted the Tories but see Reform as a better bet now.

At all costs the media elite do not want progressive parties, who might increase taxes for the wealthy etc, to succeed.

So, get Nigel on TV at every opportunity; get his views on everything; plaster his comments across newspaper front pages … make the electorate believe he’s far more credible than he actually is.

Propaganda … it works!

To a point. The media will get cold feet on Reform before the election if the Tories can get their act together, because as well as protecting their own interests they have a morbid fear of the unknown.. they won’t go for flaky if the alternative is safety.

Freya5 Tue 22-Jul-25 17:07:40

vegansrock

Why oh why does Farage get so much media coverage? The Lib Dem’s have 10xs more MPs , Greens have the same plus more councillors, would that they got the same attention.

Maybe because they are ineffective , not a credible Government in people's minds. Lib Dems got fewer votes than for Reform, but because of FPP, got more seats.

Maremia Tue 22-Jul-25 17:19:36

Farage is 'clickbait' and keeps the ratings high. That counts for programmers.

LizzieDrip Tue 22-Jul-25 19:06:46

MaizieD

I'm afraid Labour's achievements are minimal and are affecting fewer people than those who wanted change.
Look at the nonsensical refusal to nationalise the failing water companies, deregulating finance when we all know what happened last time. Refusal to lift the 2 child benefit cap, keeping children in poverty. Inability to do anything about excessive charges for energy. Refusal to implement progressive taxation for the wealthy, apart from a few gestures, such as VAT on private schools. And didn't they row back on taxing non doms?

They're very disappointing. and nowhere near 'socialist'

Then again MaizieD, this from Kevin Maguire in The Mirror:

“Imagine if we had a UK Government reviving an ailing NHS, raising the minimum wage well above inflation, introducing breakfast clubs and giving free school meals to 500,000 more children.

One that was devising much improved new job rights, planning a huge house-building drive, bringing a fragmented rail industry back into public ownership, overseeing a green energy revolution to safeguard supplies and prices while investing heavily to guarantee steel production in Scunthorpe and Port Talbot.

Ministers committed to opening centres in every local authority to give all kids a better start in life and, finally, negotiate and implement concrete plans to deter and deal with small boat crossings where Rwanda failed expensively and disastrously.

A Cabinet consigning dinosaur Tory hereditary peers to the dustbin of history and a Prime Minister resetting relations with the rest of Europe to boost trade and avoid long passport queues.

You’d not be an excessively enthusiastic Pollyanna should you recognise that we have that UK Government but you’d also not be alone if you’d need to be Miss Marple to detect it.”

The more we criticise this government, the more we push people towards Reform. I’m not suggesting we don’t hold Labour to account but let’s be even handed and recognise what they’ve achieved in just one year!