Shadow Cabinet Reshuffle

Mollygo

^Maybe the media doesn't celebrate the achievements of the Labour government because they pale into insignificance against their number of failures and u-turns.^

They need to be more proactive in saying what they have done and if it is working. I used to wish there was an Ofsted for Parliament.
What’s happening now is just like Ofsted.
A school can have achieved a lot or improved in many areas that were highlighted as needing improvement, but Ofsted highlights things where they don’t think the school has achieved.

Welcome to the real world MPs.

Labour MPs have got to have more sense of reality, you can’t have more spending without more revenue. The taxes that increase revenue quickly are Income Tax and VAT both pledged to freeze. Capital taxation is much longer term and yields much less, if they can’t reduce spending the outlook is pretty bleak even if taxes are increased.

Galaxy

Alistair Campbell or anyone similar would be a disaster, it is rare to listen to someone as out of touch as he is.

Have you listened to him and Rory Stewart on the Rest is Politics podcast? They know exactly what is going on.

LizzieDrip...I disagree... people in the area I live are very concerned about immigration.

Iam64

We have the best government we have had in many years

Iam64 inflation is up, unemployment is up, number of top tax payers leaving is up, NHS back to striking….. but we do have breakfast clubs?

Dorisdodar

LizzieDrip...I disagree... people in the area I live are very concerned about immigration.

Are they concerned because of actual incidents of immigrants causing trouble etc?

Or are they concerned because the media makes them believe they ‘should’ be concerned?

Obviously I can’t speak for your area. However, in my small working class town in North West England we have a lot of immigrants. There is also a hotel housing asylum seekers nearby.

We’ve had no problems caused by either group. In fact the immigrants have opened a diverse range of small food stores which add greatly to the area. No-one is ‘concerned’ - just the opposite.

Yes I have listened to them, they are as out of touch as it is possible to be. My predictions are often wrong but I am a novice compared to those two.

I suspect they win out on credibility because they are often proved correct in their assumptions though Galaxy. You don’t have to respect or agree with people to see the validity of their argument.

what has happened to the ERG during this Badenoch debacle? Are they just waiting in the wings?

Are they? Wrong on Syria, constantly surprised by Brexit, surprised by Trump, and on and on.

And of course with regard to AC, going even further back, a few errors with regard to Iraq. And I say that as a Blair supporter.

Nobody is always right as far as I’m aware? I wouldn’t condemn somebody for getting some things wrong, it doesn’t mean they aren’t often right. Right about populism, threats, education, corruption in politics….etc.

We arent going to agree on this casdon. They are about as wrong on populism as it is possible to be.

LizzieDrip

Dorisdodar

LizzieDrip...I disagree... people in the area I live are very concerned about immigration.

Are they concerned because of actual incidents of immigrants causing trouble etc?

Or are they concerned because the media makes them believe they ‘should’ be concerned?

Obviously I can’t speak for your area. However, in my small working class town in North West England we have a lot of immigrants. There is also a hotel housing asylum seekers nearby.

We’ve had no problems caused by either group. In fact the immigrants have opened a diverse range of small food stores which add greatly to the area. No-one is ‘concerned’ - just the opposite.

OFGS Lizziedrip. People don't need to be told by the media to be concerned about the huge influx of mostly undocumented young men arriving on our shores. Especially when they are being housed in hotels next to their children's schools, or hanging around bothering young women.

You probably have a relatively small hotel in your 'small working class town' housing only a few of these migrants, who you claim are behaving well. It doesn't mean that it is the same countrywide.

Lucky you, that in your town, 'no one is concerned - just the opposite'. Perhaps more of those arriving should be sent to the North West of England if you are all so welcoming. I think we have more than our share in the South East. We have our own opinions, not influenced by the media, and we are very concerned.

Galaxy

We arent going to agree on this casdon. They are about as wrong on populism as it is possible to be.

Or you are? We’ve all got different opinions about everything, and dismissing opinions different to our own is not recognising they may be valid, as you keep telling us?

Galaxy

We arent going to agree on this casdon. They are about as wrong on populism as it is possible to be.

Out of interest do you think they are wrong on AI? I am still trying to get to grips with the long term implications, but I found the podcast helpful.

Personally I think Cabinet Shuffles are ridiculous. Why would you keep moving people around within a 'Company' every few months. If 'Fred' is a whiz in Education then keep him there. If 'Sarah' is awesome with finances [Chancellor of the Exchequer] then why move her to Health, which she knows nothing about.

I will never understand it.

MrsMatt

Personally I think Cabinet Shuffles are ridiculous. Why would you keep moving people around within a 'Company' every few months. If 'Fred' is a whiz in Education then keep him there. If 'Sarah' is awesome with finances [Chancellor of the Exchequer] then why move her to Health, which she knows nothing about.

I will never understand it.

I agree, but often the shuffle moves and peas with no experience in one area to other places where they have no experience in either. I suppose it helps them gain a variety of experiences that will eventually be useful.
Let’s not forget that they only shuffle the MPs not the Civil Servants who support the MPs.

Thx Lizzie, nice quote from Maguire in the Mirror, but I suggest you check the circulation figures, as it will make the tiniest blip on the electorate, folk buying the Mirror are ALREADY convinced Labour supporters! It's like a piece in the Telegraph or Distress detailing Badenoch's good points (if there are some), preaching to the converted?!

It's NOT the fault of the rest of us that Starmer's crew have committed massive, significant own goals, with winter heating, benefits, and the utter shambles re immigration, having rightly criticised the Tory shambles and claiming they could instantly fix the problem (a la Trumpist blustering), this year's Channel crossings are at an all-time high!

The folk criticising the BBC - for occasionally quoting Farage - and claiming it's all a Right-wing plot to promote him - seem to have conveniently forgotten that BoJo's assorted blunderings got lots of coverage and helped turn the electorate against Tories?

And they're perfectly entitled to report on Labour backflips and U-Turns, they showed far more Tory ones over the 14 years?!

Sure, Farage should be exposed for the opportunist fraud that he is, so, the other 2 main parties need to expose him - they ARE fulltime politicos, aren't they?!!!

Oh, and those bemoaning the lack of coverage for LibDems and Greens, DO PLEASE GET REAL?! Ed Davey seems a nice chap, but pops up once every month or two to make a quiet suggestion, they should know from their election strategy that they NEED TO GET OUT and MAKE NOISE?

Greens? Who are they, where are they? Hardly anyone knows, and the vast majority see them as linked to the Just Stop Oil barmy fringe, a few councillors wearing sandals and trying to get us all to get our big s'market shop on a bicycle. Good luck with that!

MrsMatt

Personally I think Cabinet Shuffles are ridiculous. Why would you keep moving people around within a 'Company' every few months. If 'Fred' is a whiz in Education then keep him there. If 'Sarah' is awesome with finances [Chancellor of the Exchequer] then why move her to Health, which she knows nothing about.

I will never understand it.

The problem is that most of them have no expertise in any field at all, that or you have lots of suitable candidates to be Minister for Education, for example, and no one knows anything about industry and engineering, but both need ministers

Then you have the problem of seniority. The big beasts, your top 6 MPs with lots of ministerial experience and possibly a lot of staunch supporters among other MPs, and in the country, all have to be accommodated. Shun any of them and you could be in trouble come the next annual conference, and a big beast left roaming loose can do a lot to make the PMs jo very difficult.

Then the minister of health dies/resigns/is sacked and the person you want to bring in is a tophole thinker but, less good with people, so health may not be best minstry for them, but if you make them a senior Treasury minister, then you have to find an equally senior post, fr the current incumbent - and then young fellowmelad has proved to be a brilliant Commons orator and really knows his brief. He is ripe for promotion, but if you move him to a senior ministerial position, you will need to reorganise the whole castle of cards.

That MrsMatt, is why cabinet shuffles happen as they do

DrWatson
The folk criticising the BBC - for occasionally quoting Farage - and claiming it's all a Right-wing plot to promote him - seem to have conveniently forgotten that BoJo's assorted blunderings got lots of coverage and helped turn the electorate against Tories?

And they're perfectly entitled to report on Labour backflips and U-Turns, they showed far more Tory ones over the 14 years?!
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Thanks for that.
It’s so true.

Casdon

Cleverly is high profile and well thought of. He is a strong personality, and won’t stand nonsense. I disagree with ronib, in that I can see him and the government mounting simultaneous attacks on Farage, specifically about his wild claims of utopia, which hasn’t been possible with Badenoch.

I hope you are right Whitewavemark, he’s not my favourite politician, but he is definitely credible.

I’m not a Tory supporter but when the contenders for leadership of the party gave their speeches I thought Cleverley’s was by far the best but tactical voting ruled him out.

ronib

I have a husband who likes to be right as in correct. It must have some effect on my worldview…..*Casdon*.
In any event, you are dealing with imponderables. I don’t relish a government led by Farage but he definitely knows how to appeal to the masses. Starmer take note…. Please.

That's scary. Just like the 🍊🤡

Iam64

We have the best government we have had in many years

Totally agree Iam64 👏👏👏

LizzieDrip....ASB and other criminality.
My DIL was assaulted by a Pakistani man...he offered her alcohol and cigarettes to go with him she refused and he punched her in the face and broke her nose...my son had his car cloned...again by a Pakistani man.

I worked for the local council as a passenger assistant escorting SEND children to school the contract was given to a Pakistani taxi company the driver has just been jailed for sexual activity with a fourteen year old.
I live in a quiet village and the next town has a high population of people of Pakistani origin...our local park were I take my GC was covered in graffiti with red paint...I won't convey what was sprayed but the red triangles supporting Hamas were present.
I live in NW England too. Remembering the people and young girls killed in the Manchester bombings and Southport attacks. I think I'm right to be concerned.

I’m in a former mill town in the north west as well, like other similar areas, we have a large Muslim population many of Pakistani heritage.

I’m very sorry to read about the dreadful assault on your daughter Dorisdodar. I hope the man was prosecuted.

It’s now clear that taxis are not the safe places we mostly assumed they were. Sex offenders are skilled at getting themselves in employment or volunteer roles that give them access to their target group. Vulnerable Adolescent children clearly in their target group, for reasons we can identify.

Hamas support is a serious issue. Maybe you’d like to start a discussion on that as it’s important and not related to the shadow cabinet reshuffle