Shadow Cabinet Reshuffle

DrWatson

Thx Lizzie, nice quote from Maguire in the Mirror, but I suggest you check the circulation figures, as it will make the tiniest blip on the electorate, folk buying the Mirror are ALREADY convinced Labour supporters! It's like a piece in the Telegraph or Distress detailing Badenoch's good points (if there are some), preaching to the converted?!

It's NOT the fault of the rest of us that Starmer's crew have committed massive, significant own goals, with winter heating, benefits, and the utter shambles re immigration, having rightly criticised the Tory shambles and claiming they could instantly fix the problem (a la Trumpist blustering), this year's Channel crossings are at an all-time high!

The folk criticising the BBC - for occasionally quoting Farage - and claiming it's all a Right-wing plot to promote him - seem to have conveniently forgotten that BoJo's assorted blunderings got lots of coverage and helped turn the electorate against Tories?

And they're perfectly entitled to report on Labour backflips and U-Turns, they showed far more Tory ones over the 14 years?!

Sure, Farage should be exposed for the opportunist fraud that he is, so, the other 2 main parties need to expose him - they ARE fulltime politicos, aren't they?!!!

Oh, and those bemoaning the lack of coverage for LibDems and Greens, DO PLEASE GET REAL?! Ed Davey seems a nice chap, but pops up once every month or two to make a quiet suggestion, they should know from their election strategy that they NEED TO GET OUT and MAKE NOISE?

Greens? Who are they, where are they? Hardly anyone knows, and the vast majority see them as linked to the Just Stop Oil barmy fringe, a few councillors wearing sandals and trying to get us all to get our big s'market shop on a bicycle. Good luck with that!

I don’t recall Labour saying that could instantly fix immigration etc. Thought they were criticised when they were first elected by saying it would take a long time to fix what’s wrong with the country?

Well remembered MayBee
Starmer repeated how bad things were/are and was criticised for being a doomsayer
Sadly, he was right

Dorisdodar

LizzieDrip....ASB and other criminality.
My DIL was assaulted by a Pakistani man...he offered her alcohol and cigarettes to go with him she refused and he punched her in the face and broke her nose...my son had his car cloned...again by a Pakistani man.

I worked for the local council as a passenger assistant escorting SEND children to school the contract was given to a Pakistani taxi company the driver has just been jailed for sexual activity with a fourteen year old.
I live in a quiet village and the next town has a high population of people of Pakistani origin...our local park were I take my GC was covered in graffiti with red paint...I won't convey what was sprayed but the red triangles supporting Hamas were present.
I live in NW England too. Remembering the people and young girls killed in the Manchester bombings and Southport attacks. I think I'm right to be concerned.

What did the Southport attack have to do with Pakistanis?

And what does it have to do with a shadow cabinet reshuffle?

Dorisdodar you describe some awful events - I hope your DIL is alright. I trust that all the events were reported to the authorities and dealt with appropriately.

Clearly the experience in your area is very different from mine.

Most of the crime I read about in my local area news involves young British white men dealing drugs.

Of course, that doesn’t mean I think all young British white men are drug dealers. We don’t tar everyone with the same brush do we.

LizzieDrip...yes the assault was reported to the police...I didn't know her when this happened it was some years ago when she lived in Rochdale...the police didn't investigate...

Growstuff... Pakistanis had nothing to do with Manchester and Southport but were committed by immigrants or offspring of immigrants. It has nothing to do with a cabinet reshuffle but I replied to a previous comment further up the thread about immigration..is that ok?

My son-in-law is an offspring of immigrants. Are you labelling them all?

PS. Everybody in the UK is a distant offspring of immigrants.

We have a family member whose mother is a Rhohinger Muslim from Myanmar. Her father a white British convert to the Muslim faith. We have Irish, Scots, Welsh and Polish family members

Dorisdodar your posts have a negative view of immigrants, or is it focussed mainly og those with Pakistani heritage

This thread was supposed to be about the Conservative reshuffle. The only significant move has been Cleverly's return to the shadow cabinet. On balance, I think that's a positive move for the Conservatives - it shows some kind of solidarity and a willingness to include somebody who has had some ministerial experience.

I don't personally rate Cleverly that much, but he is one of the saner Conservative MPs. I don't think he'll make much difference, but it is a signal to more right-of-centrist Conservative voters (of whom there are many).

I see Cleverley as a better appointment. What a mess the tories are In

No not labelling them all...I take people has I find them..if you're nice to me I'll be nice to you....but yes I am concerned about the crime Pakistani immigrants commit in my community.

Going back to the topic...you can have has many shadow cabinet/ cabinet reshuffles has you like unless the government get a grip of the people coming across the channel I predict Reform at the very least will be in opposition.

Iam64

I see Cleverley as a better appointment. What a mess the tories are In

I also see him as a better appointment, but the bar is pretty low.

DrWatson

Thx Lizzie, nice quote from Maguire in the Mirror, but I suggest you check the circulation figures, as it will make the tiniest blip on the electorate, folk buying the Mirror are ALREADY convinced Labour supporters! It's like a piece in the Telegraph or Distress detailing Badenoch's good points (if there are some), preaching to the converted?!

It's NOT the fault of the rest of us that Starmer's crew have committed massive, significant own goals, with winter heating, benefits, and the utter shambles re immigration, having rightly criticised the Tory shambles and claiming they could instantly fix the problem (a la Trumpist blustering), this year's Channel crossings are at an all-time high!

The folk criticising the BBC - for occasionally quoting Farage - and claiming it's all a Right-wing plot to promote him - seem to have conveniently forgotten that BoJo's assorted blunderings got lots of coverage and helped turn the electorate against Tories?

And they're perfectly entitled to report on Labour backflips and U-Turns, they showed far more Tory ones over the 14 years?!

Sure, Farage should be exposed for the opportunist fraud that he is, so, the other 2 main parties need to expose him - they ARE fulltime politicos, aren't they?!!!

Oh, and those bemoaning the lack of coverage for LibDems and Greens, DO PLEASE GET REAL?! Ed Davey seems a nice chap, but pops up once every month or two to make a quiet suggestion, they should know from their election strategy that they NEED TO GET OUT and MAKE NOISE?

Greens? Who are they, where are they? Hardly anyone knows, and the vast majority see them as linked to the Just Stop Oil barmy fringe, a few councillors wearing sandals and trying to get us all to get our big s'market shop on a bicycle. Good luck with that!

Spot on 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Dorisdodar

No not labelling them all...I take people has I find them..if you're nice to me I'll be nice to you....but yes I am concerned about the crime Pakistani immigrants commit in my community.

Going back to the topic...you can have has many shadow cabinet/ cabinet reshuffles has you like unless the government get a grip of the people coming across the channel I predict Reform at the very least will be in opposition.

You’re absolutely right and crimes committed by men of Pakistani heritage should be tackled just the same as any other, without fear or favour, no tiptoeing around racial or cultural sensibilities, which we know has happened and may still be continuing for all we know.

Oreo

Dorisdodar

No not labelling them all...I take people has I find them..if you're nice to me I'll be nice to you....but yes I am concerned about the crime Pakistani immigrants commit in my community.

Going back to the topic...you can have has many shadow cabinet/ cabinet reshuffles has you like unless the government get a grip of the people coming across the channel I predict Reform at the very least will be in opposition.

You’re absolutely right and crimes committed by men of Pakistani heritage should be tackled just the same as any other, without fear or favour, no tiptoeing around racial or cultural sensibilities, which we know has happened and may still be continuing for all we know.

None of that has anything to do with the Conservative reshuffle.

Iam64

Farage, as eazybee said, tells the public what it wants to hear. I laughed out loud when I heard him state Reform would reduce crime by 50%, sentence people who have committed three serious offences to life imprisonment and of course, stop the boats. It was like Arabian Nights, tell three fantastical stories each morning.

Yes the government is doing some excellent work. Its comms continue to be dreadful - why?

He is also lying about crime figures, they have actually gone down. Don’t forget he was also claiming he would send prisoners serving life, such as Ian Huntley, to El Salvador. 😃

I agree the comms are appalling, they need to appoint somebody who can turn things around because the way things are going we will end up in the position some local councils are in, possibly before the four years are up.

Finally, we need more journalists like Kevin Maguire and fewer like Carole Malone, Kevin O’Sullivan and the appalling Kelvin MacKenzie.

You mean we need more journalists that you agree with.

Galaxy

You mean we need more journalists that you agree with.

Nail hit firmly on the head 🔨

Galaxy

You mean we need more journalists that you agree with.

Not quite so daft as you are suggesting given the balance of the media in the U.K.

That was also my take on it WW.

Keven Maguire is the only journalist, as far as I can see, who is outspoken enough to be openly left, whilst the media is absolutely flooded with right wing perspectives.

It’s an echo chamber!

A few more alternative / differing journalistic voices would be appreciated.

Even The Guardian is soooo careful to present balance that it often sits on the fence.

Let’s have more Kevin Maguires, who nail their colours to the left wing mast!

Galaxy

You mean we need more journalists that you agree with.

There is something that is disturbing me about this remark, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

It's something vague about 'how do people form their opinions if it isn't from what is disseminated by journalists in the media?'

Where are people supposed to get their opinions or beliefs from? Bearing in mind that few people dig any deeper than the media.

Are people suggesting the list of actions and planned actions in Kevin Maguire's list is innacurate?
If so, it would be helpful to know which ones.

I would certainly say that traditional media isn't influencing people's views in the way it was. That time has gone.

.....inaccurate (I need a new stylus)
I honestly don't care whether journalists are from the left or the right, if their writing has evidence and justification for their opinions attached.

Mamie

.....inaccurate (I need a new stylus)
I honestly don't care whether journalists are from the left or the right, if their writing has evidence and justification for their opinions attached.

Ah, but Galaxy seems to be implying that people who would like to see more journalists from the left (i.e the opposite of the journalists Jane43 named) are somehow wrong; they're just looking for an echo chamber.

Which, IMO demeans any desire to see opposing viewpoints more widely disseminated.

I suppose that anyone stupid enough to fall for the rubbish that Farage says would deserve to vote for him. Farage knows that he can talk endless rubbish and say anything he likes because he is not going to get in so whatever he says he will not have to actually DO what he "promises" Hopefully no one will vote for this moron and those that do are obviously as pathetic as he is!!
In these days of easily found information, I think that all the promises all politicians make should be saved and then when the actually dont do half the things that they promised you can play their promises on screen and ask why they havent done what they said they would!!!