Israel Committing War Crimes - Israel - Gaza Part 4

Quote growstuff Mon 28-Jul-25 20:27:31
Anniebach
Quote Oreo Mon 28-Jul-25 20:17:27
I would think that Israel isn’t keen on the BBC what with the bias shown and documentaries which had to be pulled and them refusing to call hamas a terrorist group.

The BBC is respected by the majority on this thread !

Which news source(s) do you respect?

Lost trust in the BBC during miners strike, more so with the fact they have apologised four times this year , not made to apologise as stated in this thread. I can recall I chose to listen to
their journalists such as John Humphries but can’t think of one now that I respect as I did then . I so remember their coverage of The Aberfan Disaster, it was fair . Perhaps they are too keen on celebrities now not journalists, in honesty I don’t believe every word which comes from newsrooms now

Not that it will make any difference, but the Democrats demand that Trump cuts funding for the controversial Gaza aid organisation, the GHF.

Should we support Palestine Action?

From "DeClassified" website.

"The UK government was secretly advised that Palestine Action is “highly unlikely” to advocate for violence while officials struggled to produce evidence the group posed a national security threat, it can be revealed.

Despite this, the activist group was banned earlier this month when Home Secretary Yvette Cooper proscribed it under terrorism legislation.

It is the first time in British history that a direct-action group has been branded a terrorist organisation.

Only 26 MPs voted against the ban, which provoked a wave of civil disobedience across Britain, with protesters holding placards saying:

“I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action”.

Over 100 people have now been arrested under the Terrorism Act for allegedly showing support for the group, including an 83-year-old priest and a man holding a Private Eye cartoon.

Declassified has now seen documents which detail why, how, and when the decision to proscribe Palestine Action was made. They form part of the material relied upon in the group’s High Court challenge to the ban

The documents detail how the government’s Proscription Review Group (PRG) conceded in March 2025 that a ban on Palestine Action would be “novel and unprecedented”.

This was because “there was no known precedent of an organisation being proscribed… mainly due to its use or threat of action involving serious damage to property”.

The Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC), which is based within MI5, also concluded that

“the majority of direct action by Palestine Action would not
^be classified as terrorism^… ^but does often involve criminality*”.

Cooper was nonetheless advised in March by PRG and JTAC that the threshold to ban the group had been met

based on three out of a total of 385 incidents!!!

Involving “serious property damage” to arms factories*.

Lawyers representing the group’s co-founder Huda Ammori argued in court that these activities were not intended to “influence the government” and therefore could not satisfy the statutory test for terrorism.

While one incident involved several alleged assaults:

UK officials broadly recognised that Palestine Action (PA) does not promote or encourage attacks on people.

The JTAC assessment notes how: “PA media channels highly likely will only share footage, or encourage, instances of property damage. PA branded media will highly unlikely explicitly advocate for violence against persons”.

The documents also indicate how national security concerns were not a central factor in the Home Office’s decision to proscribe. Indeed, they barely feature in the government’s open evidence.

Ammori’s lawyers argued in court that “no national security justification for the proscription” was articulated by the Home Office:

Cooper “did not take into account any weighty national security consideration requiring immediate proscription”.

This appears to run contrary to Cooper’s statement to parliament on 23 June, in which she declared: “The UK’s defence enterprise is vital to the nation’s national security and this Government will not tolerate those who put that security at risk”

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The Guardian offers a lot more information

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2025/jun/28/palestine-action-proscription-free-speech

"Free speech target or terrorist gang? The inside story of Palestine Action – and the plan to ban it
Haroon Siddique Legal affairs correspondent"

I am pleased to know that the world now accept that there is mass starvation in Gaza inflicted by the Israeli government.

The British government is meeting to discuss the proposals to recognise a Palestinian state.

Humanitarian aid is also being discussed.

It has taken too long for the world to wake up to the plight of the Palestinians.
Aid organisations have said the next few days are crucial. Either children will be fed or thousands will die in that time.

Thousands will die in the next few days ?

Isn't just one, one too many Annie?

Yes, one is one too many , I like facts and thousands in next few
days is not fact

I read your post Wyllow3, and it makes me wonder where the pressure came from, for the Government to ban the protest group as a 'terrorist' group, if it does not meet the criteria.

So, they have classed it as a terrorist group, alongside ISIS. Seriously?
A lobby? group called Elbit Systems (new to me) claims the action group is backed by Iran. If Elbit Systems is a foreign nationals' organisation, should they have such lobbying power?
If there is an appeal against the decision, then there should be more information coming to light.

From Israel

“B'Tselem בצלם بتسيلم
@btselem
Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

It sounds inconceivable. But it’s the truth.

Israel is taking deliberate, coordinated action to destroy the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

Explicit statements by Israeli officials, combined with a consistent policy of destructive attacks and other practices of annihilation, prove beyond a doubt that Israel’s target is the entire population of Gaza.

Entire cities razed to the ground; medical, educational, religious and cultural infrastructure systematically destroyed; 2 million Palestinians forcibly displaced with the aim of expelling them from Gaza; and, of course, mass starvation and killing - all this amounts to an explicit attempt to destroy the population of Gaza and impose living conditions so catastrophic that Palestinian society cannot continue to exist there.

That is the exact definition of genocide.

The report we are releasing today is a warning: The ideology driving the Israeli regime is not confined to Gaza.

The same regime, the same army, the same leaders and the same commanders are implementing extremely violent practices against Palestinians in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and within Israel. We are already witnessing the spillover of practices Israel is using in Gaza to other areas - on a different scale, but guided by the same logic. In the West Bank, this is taking the form of airstrikes, demolition of refugee camps, mass evictions, and the deliberate destruction of Palestinian economy and society.

No Palestinian who lives under the genocidal Israeli regime is safe.

There is no justification for genocide – not “self-defense”, not “security”, and not the heinous acts committed by Hamas on October 7, 2023, which triggered profound existential fear among Israelis.

The international community has not only failed in its duty to stop the atrocities, but the leaders of the Western world, particularly the United States and Europe, also share responsibility by providing support that enables Israel’s acts of destruction. It is the duty of the international community to stop the genocide Israel is carrying out in Gaza.

On social media, we are seeing footage of people buried under bombed-out buildings, displaced persons’ camps on fire, children starving, people desperate for water, and hospitals left unable to treat the injured and the sick.

As a human rights organization it is our duty and responsibility to say the truth: Genocide is happening, right here and right now.

This is our genocide, and we need to stop it.”

A real shame on Gazans is that they are selling food aids to their own people at hugely inflated prices in the market place.
Gangs of young men push their way to the front of the queue according to other Gazans and get aid which they then sell.The goods are marked with the UN or GHF logos.
It’s hard enough to make sure people get aid without it being used in this way. Looting is another way they get it.

Anniebach

Yes, one is one too many , I like facts and thousands in next few
days is not fact

What is your evidence for that statement? The International Rescue Committee have stated that children will either be rescued in the next few days or left to die.
Where is your fact?

Maremia

So, they have classed it as a terrorist group, alongside ISIS. Seriously?
A lobby? group called Elbit Systems (new to me) claims the action group is backed by Iran. If Elbit Systems is a foreign nationals' organisation, should they have such lobbying power?
If there is an appeal against the decision, then there should be more information coming to light.

Didn’t you know about this group and the fact it’s been proscribed already?
Their latest attack on military planes is the last straw and the government took the decision to stop it in its tracks quite rightly.
Anyone supporting this group can be arrested, it isn’t a peaceful protest group and who knows who it’s backers are.

Quote AGAA4 Tue 29-Jul-25 09:25:25
Anniebach
Yes, one is one too many , I like facts and thousands in next few
days is not fact
What is your evidence for that statement? The International Rescue Committee have stated that children will either be rescued in the next few days or left to die.
Where is your fact?

I replied to a post which claimed “thousands will die in next few days”

The real shame is on those who have caused this situation of food and water deprivation. No one shoukd blame those who starve,

Maremia Elbit Systems is an Israeli technology company. Clear now why Palestine Action have been proscribed as terrorists.

Oreo

A real shame on Gazans is that they are selling food aids to their own people at hugely inflated prices in the market place.
Gangs of young men push their way to the front of the queue according to other Gazans and get aid which they then sell.The goods are marked with the UN or GHF logos.
It’s hard enough to make sure people get aid without it being used in this way. Looting is another way they get it.

Wouldn’t be happening if Israeli wasn't committing genocide through starvation.

silverlining48

The real shame is on those who have caused this situation of food and water deprivation. No one shoukd blame those who starve,

Not even the lowlives who sell given food aid such as flour and lentils for money?!To their own people.

Elbit is a massive Israeli arms company with factories in the uk , two in Kent, producing arms fir israel which as far as I recall is still continuing at pace despite the uk having reduced weapons to Israel from this country,

That hardly excuses hamas members, assorted crims and others for barging in or stealing aid that was given does it?

No one should blame those who are starving. The black market has always gone on in every conflict,

Quote Whitewavemark2 Tue 29-Jul-25 09:32:48
Oreo
A real shame on Gazans is that they are selling food aids to their own people at hugely inflated prices in the market place.
Gangs of young men push their way to the front of the queue according to other Gazans and get aid which they then sell.The goods are marked with the UN or GHF logos.
It’s hard enough to make sure people get aid without it being used in this way. Looting is another way they get it.

Wouldn’t be happening if Israeli wasn't committing genocide through starvation

You support the selling of food to fellow countrymen?
Hamas started this war