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Israel Committing War Crimes - Israel - Gaza Part 4

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Magenta8 Fri 25-Jul-25 11:08:56

It is very difficult to understand what is really happening and what are lies being perpetrated by Israel or Hamas. Add to this reporting restrictions and it is surprising we know as much as we do.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 31-Jul-25 05:31:29

Claremont

Not always a fan of Piers Morgan, and he used to be a supporter os Israel. Here is is saying that we all know why Israel does not want foreing independent Journalists there- because Israel does not want us to see what is truly going on.

www.facebook.com/share/v/1EH4a77Jp7/

That was impressive, and convincing.

Piers Morgan is not my first go to, but like Morgan I have gone on a journey from being a strong supporter to a strong critic.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 31-Jul-25 05:32:25

Canada is to recognise the Palestinian State.

bmacca Thu 31-Jul-25 07:41:32

I don’t think saying they starved a SICK child to death is any sort of winning argument

AGAA4 Thu 31-Jul-25 07:45:09

Good news. Trump will not be happy about that.

Iam64 Thu 31-Jul-25 07:57:07

Outrage and accuracy from Piers Morgan

Anniebach Thu 31-Jul-25 08:09:11

Quote bmacca Thu 31-Jul-25 07:41:32
I don’t think saying they starved a SICK child to death is any sort of winning argument

They didn’t say the child was starved, Hamas said the child was
starved , the child was very ill with a physical health condition

Iam64 Thu 31-Jul-25 08:14:32

Yes Annie, you’re right about that photograph. But imo, that doesn’t mean children and adults aren’t facing malnourishment, displacement and terror.

AGAA4 Thu 31-Jul-25 08:14:49

Hamas do give out false information as do Israel.
This doesn't mean that the situation in Gaza isn't dire. Children are starving and dying.
Do you think that the UK, France and Canada would take the huge step of declaring Palestine a state if this was not happening?

Anniebach Thu 31-Jul-25 08:18:35

Quote Iam64 Thu 31-Jul-25 08:14:32
Yes Annie, you’re right about that photograph. But imo, that doesn’t mean children and adults aren’t facing malnourishment, displacement and terror.

Thank you Iam, I just posted a fact

Whitewavemark2 Thu 31-Jul-25 08:19:43

Reading that there is an argument that Gaza does not meet the criteria to be able to declare it to be a state. So it may be breaking international law.

That will play out over the coming months no doubt.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 31-Jul-25 08:25:31

Re- the photo.

I have seen many, many photos of starving children, toddlers and tiny babies.

I don’t post them because in my view it is poor taste, and frankly we don’t need to see them to know that it is happening.

We can intellectualise what we are reading, data etc.

People are starving in Gaza.

Israel put in a total blockade of everything in May - including water😮. The Palestinians have done well to last as long as they have, but there is a limit and that limit has been reached.

I am a little hopeful that the world will force open the border for aid, but it is a tiny hope.

Anniebach Thu 31-Jul-25 08:34:12

Whitewave surely posting more photographs would strengthen the claim of many children starved to death. Hamas
has only release 2/3 they claimed starved yet write daily of large numbers

growstuff Thu 31-Jul-25 08:46:02

Anniebach

Whitewave surely posting more photographs would strengthen the claim of many children starved to death. Hamas
has only release 2/3 they claimed starved yet write daily of large numbers

Maybe parents aren't keen on having the corpses of their children photographed and distributed round the world.

growstuff Thu 31-Jul-25 08:50:09

Whitewavemark2

Reading that there is an argument that Gaza does not meet the criteria to be able to declare it to be a state. So it may be breaking international law.

That will play out over the coming months no doubt.

Palestine is already recognised as a state by over 100 countries. There isn't some global judge who hands out a certificate stating a place is officially a state. Individual countries can make their own decisions. It is probably that the US will veto any UN recognition. Meanwhile, it's largely a symbolic gesture - it's not going to make much practical difference, apart from rattling Israel and the US.

Anniebach Thu 31-Jul-25 08:56:29

Quote growstuff Thu 31-Jul-25 08:46:02
Anniebach
Whitewave surely posting more photographs would strengthen the claim of many children starved to death. Hamas
has only release 2/3 they claimed starved yet write daily of large numbers
Maybe parents aren't keen on having the corpses of their children photographed and distributed round the world.

If the starvation is fact surely they would tell the world , I truly
don’t believe Hamas who carried out horrific torture on Israeli
babies would hold back showing photographs because parents said “no”

growstuff Thu 31-Jul-25 08:57:20

This is Trump's response to Canada's announcement:

"Wow! Canada has just announced that it is backing statehood for Palestine. That will make it very hard for us to make a Trade Deal with them. Oh’ Canada!!!"

He obviously thinks he can threaten/bribe Canada with a trade deal.

growstuff Thu 31-Jul-25 08:59:04

Anniebach

Quote growstuff Thu 31-Jul-25 08:46:02
Anniebach
Whitewave surely posting more photographs would strengthen the claim of many children starved to death. Hamas
has only release 2/3 they claimed starved yet write daily of large numbers
Maybe parents aren't keen on having the corpses of their children photographed and distributed round the world.

If the starvation is fact surely they would tell the world , I truly
don’t believe Hamas who carried out horrific torture on Israeli
babies would hold back showing photographs because parents said “no”

I don't really care what you believe.

I do believe what doctors (some British) have witnessed with their own eyes.

FWIW I don't need to see photos of atrocities such as child abuse to believe it happens.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 31-Jul-25 09:00:36

Goodness knows how people who are in denial of children starving to death are going to cope when there is no other alternative but to recognise the fact.

I am, however certainly not going to pander to the deniers by posting the images of these children.

They had no dignity in life.

But I will give them dignity in death.

AGAA4 Thu 31-Jul-25 09:09:05

Whitewavemark2

Goodness knows how people who are in denial of children starving to death are going to cope when there is no other alternative but to recognise the fact.

I am, however certainly not going to pander to the deniers by posting the images of these children.

They had no dignity in life.

But I will give them dignity in death.

This

Smileless2012 Thu 31-Jul-25 09:12:13

How can starvation in Gaza not be a fact Annie? If it isn't then why doesn't Israel allow foreign journalists in to disprove the lie?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 31-Jul-25 09:13:36

Two major Israeli human rights organizations, B’Tselem & Physicians for Human Rights, officially declared Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, citing bombs targeting civilians, displacement, and deliberate starvation. The first time the Gaza genocide is called out from within Israeli society.

Anniebach Thu 31-Jul-25 09:13:48

Quote AGAA4 Thu 31-Jul-25 09:09:05
Whitewavemark2
Goodness knows how people who are in denial of children starving to death are going to cope when there is no other alternative but to recognise the fact.

I am, however certainly not going to pander to the deniers by posting the images of these children.

They had no dignity in life.

But I will give them dignity in death.

This

If the photographs which have been seen and the many Whitewave claims to have seen , the parents have no respect
for their dead children ?

growstuff Thu 31-Jul-25 09:20:32

Smileless2012

How can starvation in Gaza not be a fact Annie? If it isn't then why doesn't Israel allow foreign journalists in to disprove the lie?

And why are they allowing aid drops by air and issuing releases about increasing the number of lorries they're allowing?

AGAA4 Thu 31-Jul-25 09:20:51

We don't know if those parents wanted the photos of their children on the internet.
Unscrupulous people will take photos and post them on possibly for money. Whitewave was right to not post them on here.

Anniebach Thu 31-Jul-25 09:24:48

From October 2023 Hamas has posted photographs. I certainly do not believe for money. Why did the mothers posed with their children?