Israel Committing War Crimes - Israel - Gaza Part 4

I’m not going to trade bible quotes with you, because I know that if you so wished you could find a quote in the Old Testament that ruled the exact same requirement.

So don’t play games annie

However if you can’t find any I can quote them.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 27-Jul-25 11:09:22
I’m not going to trade bible quotes with you, because I know that if you so wished you could find a quote in the Old Testament that ruled the exact same requirement.

So don’t play games annie
Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote Whitewavemark2 Sun 27-Jul-25 11:11:23
However if you can’t find any I can quote them.

I read my bible, I spent much time in recluse studying my
Bible, I led study groups in my church, I would never use my
bible to play games with you

International law states that
occupying forces have a duty of care to the civilians of that country.
It means ensuring their safety and food and other aid is available to them.
It does not mean bombing, shooting and starving them.

AGAA4 Sun 27-Jul-25 11:33:32
International law states that
occupying forces have a duty of care to the civilians of that country.
It means ensuring their safety and food and other aid is available to them.
It does not mean bombing, shooting and starving them.

Hamas has no need to follow international law, so “never
declare war in terrorists “

Perhaps Israel should remember 'an eye for an eye' in the Old Testament, the emphasis being proportionate justice ie the punishment should fit the crime.

Hamas having no need to follow international law doesn't excuse Israel for not doing so Annie.

Yes, going back to the OP . It is amazing what we have actually been able to glean, but it should be obvious to all that this has been a military disaster for the IDF, the 4th best army in the world, doing all that bombing and shooting, and still no end in sight.
It is a humanitarian disaster for the people of Gaza. Plenty of evidence of that.
It is a political disaster for the State of Israel, whose standing and support around the word is diminishing.

A new clean water line has been approved between Egypt and Gaza. It will be independent of Israel's water lines.
Hard to believe that Israel turned off the water to Gaza. Water is essential for life.

That's good news. Wonder how that came about?

Netanyahu has said he will continue fighting until they have complete victory.
He says he has allowed minimal aid into Gaza but graphs show that aid has been blocked every time.

Annie, please tell us what the Book of Romans, New Testament and Saint Paul say about feeding enemies. Thank you.

From the Jewish point of view, the issue is very clear

Hebrew Word Study |

Love Your Enemy
BySkip Moen, Ph.D.
July 21, 2008

“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you,” John 13:34

Love One Another – Jesus is an Old Testament expositor. When He describes the action that sets His followers apart from all others, He refers to a “renewed” old commandment. You will find the foundation in Leviticus 19:2: “Love your neighbor in the same way that you love yourself.” Of course, God’s idea of neighbor is not quite the same as our idea. We like to redefine the Hebrew word ahav in terms of the Greek phileo. That makes it easy to love our neighbors because that allows us to love the ones who are like us. But this will never do. If God’s display of ahav is the standard, then ahav cannot be about loving those like us. God loved us while we hated Him. God’s love is the perfect display of ahav (agape) because it is all about enemies.

The Bible amplifies thiIf your enes theme, just in case we thought we could overlook it. Proverbs 25:21 tells us what ahav looks like in action. my is hungry, feed him. If he’s thirsty, give him something to drink. If his animal is in trouble, help. (Exodus 23:4). Jesus says the same thing (surprise, surprise) when He describes love toward those who are hungry, thirsty, naked or abused. Until we treat our enemy with the same regard as we take care of ourselves, we have not understood or practiced ahav. All of this is built into the torah. That means that the love commanded by God is not natural to human beings. Yes, you might be a humanitarian. You might care for those in need. But to offer your enemy shelter, sustenance, good-will and rescue finds no basis in normal human emotions or actions. The only basis for this kind of love is God Himself. I am to apply the effort that I exert to care for myself to those who oppose me. This is the Golden Rule in its widest application. From a biblical perspective, it is impossible to love God (ahav) and hate your enemies. Ahav compels action on behalf of the other, particularly if the other opposes you.

There's knowing your Bible, and there's doing your Bible.

Does that mean the footage of the truck convoy moving into Gaza was just for show?
Wonder how they got on with the food drops?

Maremia

There's knowing your Bible, and there's doing your Bible.

Strangely enough, many I know who 'do it' - are not religious at all- just humans, and many Humanists. Because it makes sense, human sense.

Exactly Claremont, and many religious folk are out and out hypocrites.

AGAA4

I believe the British doctors who have described the terrible injuries and malnutrition of the children in Gaza.
Sadly because they are starving many aren't strong enough to come through operations.

The doctors are probably suffering from malnitrition too AGA which can't help their decision -making in such a difficult situation.
The very young & very old die,but everyone is suffering.

AGAA4

A new clean water line has been approved between Egypt and Gaza. It will be independent of Israel's water lines.
Hard to believe that Israel turned off the water to Gaza. Water is essential for life.

Not hard to believe for me. Totally consistent with Israel's aims.

I wonder how many posters on here realise that plenty of Jews aren’t religious at all? In fact most of those I know aren’t.
Just as most of those native to the UK aren’t either.So what’s with all the bible bashing.

Maremia

Exactly Claremont, and many religious folk are out and out hypocrites.

I take it that you both aren’t religious either then.🤔

Remembered the following but it made me cry,

“The Merchant Of Venice’

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”

W Shakespeare

Oreo

Maremia

Exactly Claremont, and many religious folk are out and out hypocrites.

I take it that you both aren’t religious either then.🤔

Many atheists and humanists are out and out hypocrites.
Many people of faith do their best to follow the faith they were brought up in, or discovered as adults. The major faiths share similar core beliefs
Live and let live and don’t sneer at faiths

For use as a template to write about Gaza

Written by my Quaker Friend from the Welsh Valleys, a Care Worker all his life, now suffering from a serious heart condition, whose passion is now all out for the peoples of Gaza:

Amended for Gransnet by myself and another GN poster. (thank you for encouragement)

Dear xx

I write to you with anger, sorrow, and hope that you will take the all the measures possible to end the suffering of the Gazan, and all the Palestinian Peoples.

Firstly, the overall fundamental action - that is to join other nations in recognising a Palestinian State. Our government must move to do this.

Secondly, all the actions necessary to stop any supplies of arms.

Third, crucially, feed the starving, the malnourished, those drinking poisoned water and Provide adequate Medical Care.

Fourth, start to Rebuild.

******

Many, many loyal Labour Party members, and UK citizens from many other political, religious and cultural backgrounds:

Have become exasperated with Starmer and other ministers, who will not yet act adequately.

On these issues I urge you to stay true to the principles and humanity…of all that is right and good, for thelong term survival of innocents in Gaza and the West Bank.

It is time, despite the many people in Israel itself, and the people of many religious and cultural backgrounds to shout that

Netanyahu’s government - the current cabinet - is now close to becoming a pariah State

Recognise Palestine as a state

Cease Fire Now

Feed the starving, the innocents dying of malnutrition, poisoned water

Use the UN and any other benign organisations to supply food, water, medical supplies, and other necessities: ^and only when there is no other choice by air drops

As opposed to situations where people are shot dead or wounded trying to access supplies.

In hope you will be moved by all that is good to support these actions

Yours etc…

(There are many to write to, but one recommended by my Quaker Friend is)

<[email protected]>

I am hopeful, and think it positive, that Starmer can move Trump in the better direction of delivering aid, ie backing the UN at last.

No word of fight antisemitism, unusual for a Quaker to be judgemental