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Israel/Gaza War - Hundreds of Israeli ex-officials appeal to Trump to help end Gaza war

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posset Mon 04-Aug-25 10:46:53

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkznje8nz8o

Much as I dislike Trump I believe he might have enough influence to achieve this.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:29:30

Report from UNHR

GENEVA – UN experts* today expressed grave concern over the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation’s (GHF) operations, saying Palestinians are paying the ultimate price of the international community’s legal, political and moral failure.

The experts recalled that under international humanitarian law, Israel as the occupying power has binding obligations to the people under its control. As per Geneva Convention IV and the Hague Regulations, civilians in occupied territory must be protected and provided with essential services. Humanitarian relief operations must be protected and facilitated, but must also strictly respect the principles of humanity, neutrality, impartiality, and independence.

The GHF, a non-governmental organisation created by Israel in February 2025, with US support, to allegedly distribute aid in Gaza, is an utterly disturbing example of how humanitarian relief can be exploited for covert military and geopolitical agendas in serious breach of international law,” the experts said. “The entanglement of Israeli intelligence, US contractors and ambiguous non-governmental entities underlines the urgent need for robust international oversight and action under UN auspices”
Under any circumstances, when war crimes are overlooked in exchange for temporary relief, impunity can become normalised. Yet, in this case, we are leaving a State accused of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity in charge of feeding the population affected by the genocide without oversight and with impunity. This overt hypocrisy is disturbing,” the experts said.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:30:22

I think that the last paragraph of the UNHR report is important.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:42:04

The result of not just bombing, but the IDF is now systematically detonating whole areas where there are buildings standing, in preparation we assume to move into land that does not belong to them.

Babs03 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:43:04

All these respected agencies giving the same reports yet nothing is being done to address the appalling strategy of the IDF to exploit the starving when chasing an aid truck. Is like shooting fish in a barrel. Starvation has become weaponised.

AGAA4 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:44:11

It's unbelievable that Israel are getting away with so much. Those with any power stand back and let it happen.
The US/Israel aid has caused more deaths not less.

Smileless2012 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:50:26

Thank you WWM for continuing to keep us updated; it makes for depressing reading but we need to know don't we.

Babs03 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:52:51

Hunan Rights Watch and Amnesty international have also reported this, as have most human rights agencies if not all of them.
Starvation is not used in the theatre of war it is used in cases of genocide.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 16:01:00

Babs03

Hunan Rights Watch and Amnesty international have also reported this, as have most human rights agencies if not all of them.
Starvation is not used in the theatre of war it is used in cases of genocide.

Yes, I am very confident that this evidence will convince the CCJ that genocide is indeed being carried out. 3 out of 5 of article 11 is being met.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 16:12:37

Posted by Michael Rosen

Speech at the UN by a representative of the State of Palestine.

Allow me to address the Israeli people.

Your government wants you to believe that the whole world is conspiring against you, that the Palestinian people are terrorists, that the UN is filled with terrorist and terrorist supporters, that your closest allies are your enemies.

This most radical Israeli government and its Foreign Minister are calling for “de radicalization” of the Palestinian society as a whole, calling them “human animals” and “children of darkness”.

They want you to believe that your survival depends on your ability to continuously wage wars, including against a defenseless civilian population half of whom are children, on their erasure.

The Israeli people need to decide if this is what they want their government and military doing.

These atrocities that the whole world is watching and that your government is hoping you will filter out, deny or justify.

In the midst of this genocide we are telling you: we choose peace and appeal to you to do the same.

We do it for our children and our people. You should do it for your children and your loved ones.

Enough bloodshed. Enough wars. Enough suffering.

If not for the Palestinian people’s sake, for your own, if not in the name of humanity, in the name of self-preservation.

The solution is ending this illegal occupation and ending this disastrous conflict;
it is the realization of the independence and sovereignty of the Palestinian state, not its destruction;
it is the fulfillment of our rights, not their continued denial;
it is respect for international law, not its trampling;
it is the implementation of the two-State
solution, not a one state reality with Palestinians condemned to genocide, ethnic cleansing or apartheid.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 16:15:14

You know when I posted the above from Michael Rosen, it suddenly occurred to me that all we ever hear are Israeli voices - their government etc.

Never anything from Palestinian representatives.

It must surely be time to address that imbalance?

Babs03 Wed 06-Aug-25 16:33:33

Whitewavemark2

You know when I posted the above from Michael Rosen, it suddenly occurred to me that all we ever hear are Israeli voices - their government etc.

Never anything from Palestinian representatives.

It must surely be time to address that imbalance?

I agree but the problem there is the very real backlash against any Palestinian voices being heard, even when they call for peace, am afraid there are strong lobbies that will prevent this. My daughter is a professor at a university and wanted a Palestinian academic to come and talk about the possibility of a two state solution, the academic was refused a platform in case it could be construed as antisemitic.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 16:41:12

Using that as an excuse to shut down voices is in the long term counterproductive, because the world is waking up to that tactic.

AGAA4 Wed 06-Aug-25 18:46:51

Antisemitism is used as a weapon when no valid reason can be given for agreeing with the atrocities that are happening in Gaza.
Hamas were defeated months ago but the killing goes on.

Oreo Wed 06-Aug-25 20:43:55

Antisemitism is alive and well everywhere.A student from Gaza that was studying at a French University has been sent back for expressing antisemitism online.If we allow students to come to University here from Gaza then they could well do the same.
Nobody has to ‘use’ antisemitism it just happens to be there.
Iam64 says that Jews in Manchester are wondering if they should move to Israel for safety reasons.Says a lot.

Allira Wed 06-Aug-25 21:30:54

AGAA4

Antisemitism is used as a weapon when no valid reason can be given for agreeing with the atrocities that are happening in Gaza.
Hamas were defeated months ago but the killing goes on.

Hamas were defeated months ago but the killing goes on.

Who has declared Hamas is totally defeated?

AGAA4 Thu 07-Aug-25 08:17:03

The leaders of the IDF have said there is no reason militarily to carry on in Gaza. Hamas is not a threat now Allira

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Aug-25 08:38:09

At present it looks very much as if Netanyahu intends to go ahead with a full occupation of Gaza.

There are some harrowing photos of people trying to flee from Gaza city, but they are clearly very, very thin and frail.

One dreadful picture of a man holding a tiny bloodied and filthy baby. Where to take the baby? Is there any medical facilities left, as I believe Israel seems to be concentrating on destroying them at present.

Meanwhile the Israel are still using people seeking food and water as target practice snd hundreds have been killed or injured over the past day.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Aug-25 08:41:55

Many countries are now offering medical aid for the injured in their own hospitals.

My question is - those who are taken to another country to receive medical aid - when they are well enough return

Will the Israelis let them back in.

If I was a betting person my answer would be NO!

Babs03 Thu 07-Aug-25 08:43:10

I feel such despair and outrage.
Was reading a piece this morning about how generals are now openly bickering about what is happening, reluctant to take things further when the aims of the conflict have been met and there will be less chance of freeing the hostages if a full scale occupation goes ahead, not to mention having to chivvy along a dispirited army.
Anyone can google this am not going to name sources because will just be told those sources are unreliable.

Babs03 Thu 07-Aug-25 08:45:51

Whitewavemark2

Many countries are now offering medical aid for the injured in their own hospitals.

My question is - those who are taken to another country to receive medical aid - when they are well enough return

Will the Israelis let them back in.

If I was a betting person my answer would be NO!

There has never been a right to return.

Anniebach Thu 07-Aug-25 08:54:10

AGAA4 Thu 07-Aug-25 08:17:03
The leaders of the IDF have said there is no reason militarily to carry on in Gaza. Hamas is not a threat now Allira
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Cannot be true, it has been said here that Netanyahu gave a large number of IDF time off on 7th October 2023 to enable
Hamas to attack Israel, the leaders were to lodge complaints when they retired

AGAA4 Thu 07-Aug-25 09:26:25

BBC news. Hamas is still paying it's civil servants but only a fraction of what they earned before. One man said it's not enough to feed his family.
Hamas had a large stockpile of money a few years ago but that is dwindling fast it seems.
Hamas is severely weakened now. The IDF no longer want to be there.

Why carry on with this war unless the
aim is to kill everybody in Gaza?

Anniebach Thu 07-Aug-25 09:35:48

AGAA4 Thu 07-Aug-25 09:26:25
BBC news. Hamas is still paying it's civil servants but only a fraction of what they earned before. One man said it's not enough to feed his family.
Hamas had a large stockpile of money a few years ago but that is dwindling fast it seems.
Hamas is severely weakened now. The IDF no longer want to be there.

Why carry on with this war unless the
aim is to kill everybody in Gaza?

All in Gaza are Hamas ?

Babs03 Thu 07-Aug-25 09:50:53

Would be a serious stretch to assume all in Gaza are Hamas, would be equivalent with saying all in Israel are IDF.
Am afraid there isn’t much mileage to be had with that one Annie.

AGAA4 Thu 07-Aug-25 09:51:15

A cardiologist working for the NHS said his elderly father in Gaza has lost over 4 stone and is skin and bone. His young niece who has type 1 diabetes has no access to insulin.
Some are saying it would be better to be bombed than have this slow death.
So cruel.