Angela Rayner - 3 homes now

Allira

^PoliticsNerd Just for context Rishi Sunak and his wife together own four houses spread across the UK and the US, worth an estimated £15 Mn. I imagine this was true when he was PM^.

Doesn't his wife come from a wealthy background and didn't he make money before he became an MP?
Or did he acquire those homes since he became an MP?

I don’t know. Did he make the same claims as AR and the LP re second homes?
I’m not defending RS, just wondering if his policy opposed his practice.

I havnt read all the posts, but struggle tounderstand why Angela Rayner is being credited with three homes.
Every MP gets accommodated if they live a distance from the HoC. At the rate Labour is being constantly criticised, it’s likely she and her party will vacate these properties at the next election. .
Her northern property went in a divorce settlement. There will be many MPs with two or more properties so why pick on AR unless it’s because she is working class and proud, which she has absolutely every right to be.
She has done well despite a very difficult start in life. After 14 years of the Tory boys from Eton and similar it makes for a refreshing change.

One of the sticking points is that for council tax , AR seems to have nominated her family home in her constituency as her primary residence. However when buying the flat in Hove, that is nominated as her primary residence! It could well be perfectly legitimate but it’s illogical.

ronib

One of the sticking points is that for council tax , AR seems to have nominated her family home in her constituency as her primary residence. However when buying the flat in Hove, that is nominated as her primary residence! It could well be perfectly legitimate but it’s illogical.

Agreed.

Oh dear.
AR has been credited with three homes because at this time she has three homes.
She owns only two; the third home is specifically available for someone with an important role who needs to be near the seat of government and cut down on unnecessary travelling.
So the reasoning that she needs the Hove apartment as her primary residence is not viable.
And please stop this 'she is being picked on because she is working -class'. She had a hard start in life because she did no work at school and wasted her time hanging around the clubs.

Not a good role model, rather a con-merchant.

Harsh. Do you have any idea how hard it is for children with a background like hers to get much further than supermarket stacking.?
The hard start in life you mention starts much earlier than school.

Yes it’s super harsh to have to be the main carer for a mother who is bipolar plus looking after siblings. However, her best achievement would be to try to improve mental health provision and to set up support for those families. So from this background she is remarkable and she’s uniquely placed to improve outcomes. But will she?

Yes she is doing that by here example

I do get fed up with all this stuff about 'working class' origins holding people back. Our explosivly expanding 'middle class' over the last hundred or so years has not been as the result of the gentry expanding downwards but by 'working class' people expanding upwards.

There are very few people who do not have a parent, grandparent or great-grandparent who started in life working in shop, factory, or heavy industry, or who is not descended from the immigrants who have flooded into this country since the mid 19th century. I am descended from both Irish immigrants and 'working class' English on both sides.

Both my parents were born into 'working class' families but grew up 'middle class'

The point is that children from homes with a mentally ill parent or parents are disadvantaged in many ways that have nothing to do with social class.

eazybee your post was nasty and untrue

I second Annie’s response about eazybee’s post.
It’s also based on no understanding of the reality of the lives of children growing up in the way AR did

Anniebach , you may consider my post to be nasty, but it is not untrue.

There are many, many accounts of Rayner's early life, mostly emanating from Rayner herself, and some from her 'friends', both supportive and derogatory and certainly variable.

My main concern is her woeful lack of education and her failure to to remedy this. Through working in very underprivileged areas in the Midlands in the 70s and eighties with children and mothers similar to Rayner I was aware of the help and opportunities available to women in her situation which she could have benefited from but ignored.

Like Monica, I am tired of all this rubbish about working class origins and northern accents holding people back. The working class seized joyfully upon the expansion of opportunity through education, which continues today. There are millions of people who illustrate this.

Angela Rayner has been promoted way beyond her capabilities, but it is the conduct of her tax affairs involving her properties and the obfuscation about her primary residence that continues to raise concern.
She is the Deputy Prime Minister and her behaviour should be above reproach.
It requires investigation.

eazybee you are judging a child whose parent has a serious mental health illness, if what you claim is true who was there to guide her, to protect her ?

ronib

The point is that children from homes with a mentally ill parent or parents are disadvantaged in many ways that have nothing to do with social class.

But we are not talking about children from homes where mental illness is present. We are talking about all this guff about children from 'working class' homes.

My point is that forget the guff and focus on improving outcomes for children from very difficult backgrounds. AR should be speaking out for this group not singing the class war.

Where do you get class war from?
We don’t expect people to find employment that reflects their privileged or deprived childhood do we ?

By being a minister/mp with her life experience she is speaking out for this group

Well can you imagine that not everyone with a bipolar parent ends up as deputy prime minister? One could feel very disadvantaged? Iam64 How exactly is speaking up helping?

Sorry ronib I don’t understand your post.

Your world view and life experience are very different than mine

Fine

I agree with what ronib said a few posts back. I think Rachel played the system to her advantage and I am not sure if it was legal.

ronib

Well can you imagine that not everyone with a bipolar parent ends up as deputy prime minister? One could feel very disadvantaged? Iam64 How exactly is speaking up helping?

Is having a bipolar parent the next excuse for anything?

It seems strange that the thread is about whether or not AR went against the aims of the LP re helping people to get homes by lessening the number of second homes.

But suddenly, having had a bipolar parent, is an explanation for how AR has got the job she has.

(Yes, I do have personal experience of what impact bipolar has on families, but since those affected haven’t made it to deputy PM with however many homes, does that make them failures on here?)

All credit to AR as she had a difficult childhood but it’s now a very long time ago.In her position politically, she has to be careful and show she doesn’t do any dodgy dealings or unethical decisions.As do all politicians of course, even tho they rarely live up to a high standard at times.

It seems that the house in Ashton Under Lyme that AR owned was put into a trust in 2023, so from that point she won't have owned it. It will have been done by solicitors who specialise in trusts so I think you can pretty much guarantee that is was all done legally. The value given was £650K, interestingly there are few houses for sale in the area valued at 650K or more so having seen a pic of it, I guess it was an valuation that was somewhat on the high side but at least she wouldn't have been accused of trying to ensure the beneficiaries avoided paying IHT if she were to die.

I heard an expert on these matters on r4 say AR has not broken the law. So it appears there are no ‘dodgy dealings.’