Angela Rayner - 3 homes now

Casdon

MaizieD

The number of sneering posts on GN about people who have second homes are not usually from those to the right of centre

Can you give us some examples of these 'sneering posts' Allira, because I don't recall any. But, 'senior memory' is perhaps kicking in...

There have been heated discussions about the fairness of councils/governments charging higher council tax for people with second homes, I’m guessing that’s what Allira is referring to?

But who was 'sneering'?

It’s personal interpretation as to whether somebody is sneering I think, because we all have different styles, and we rub some people up the wrong way because they perceive what we say is sneering at them when we think what we are doing is just putting our point of view over. There’s no right or wrong on what people choose to do as long as it’s within the law regarding second homes, just different opinions.

Casdon

Primrose53

Casdon

Allira

OldFrill

Someone with a second home complaining because someone else has a second home. Who is the hypocrite.

Is that deliberately ironic?

The number of sneering posts on GN about people who have second homes are not usually from those to the right of centre so it is amazing that, now a Labour politician has a holiday home, it is something to be applauded and defended.

Therein lies the irony!

😁

There is an irony in a post being made about Angela Rayner having a holiday home when the post is made by somebody who has a second home they have themselves used as a holiday home though, that cannot be denied.

Would you rather I had not been honest and pretended I didn’t have a second home? I have never used my second house as a holiday home. I have, for a couple of years, rented it out for holiday lets. That was because of covid when landlords were told we could not get rid of bad tenants.

I repeat what I said earlier, I am not the Housing Minister.

Honesty is always good, and I don’t mind at all Primrose53, why would I, we all make our choices, it’s just undeniably ironic.

Maybe in your world! Like I keep saying, but you fail to understand, is that I am NOT the Housing Minister. I am answerable to no one. It’s her job and she should be sorting out better homes for people not rubbing their noses in it.

The Times have published very unflattering pictures of her in a rubber dinghy - vaping - swigging wine and flashing a tramp stamp (tattoo). All very reminiscent of the unflattering pics of MM. Once a hate figure, always a hate figure. She cannot win.

Buying a second home doesn’t equate to rubbing people’s noses in it Primrose.
Angela Raynor is answerable to her constituents, You are answerable to your conscience. Your dislike of AR never fails to emerge

M0nica

The question is not how many houses any Labour MP occupies. It is the simple fact that Labour has done a lot of virtue signalling and stomping around and shouting about the iniquities of second homes especially in holiday areas How all these second home owners are distorting the local housing market, making it more difficult for first time buyers by driving.

Now we see a prominent government minister buying a holiday home in a seaside constituency. She also has a house in her constituency and a grace & favour flat in London. A distribution of home/work houses that applies to many families not just politicians.

It is the second home by the seaside that sticks in my craw.

I agree with this.

A Housing Minister speaks in Parliamentary about the iniquity of second homes in holiday areas depriving local people of homes and the damage caused to local communities.

And then the Deputy Leader buys a second home by the sea.

So what is the Government policy?

Increasingly this Government does not seem to have any vision or policies at all.

I personally do not care how many homes any one has.

I do have a problem with government ministers (from any party) making a song and dance about second home owners in parliament and on interviews with the media, and then purchasing themselves a second home by the sea.

They either have absolutely no awareness of the so called optics of this, or they just don’t care what the electorate thinks.

MayBee70

I have asked HQ to amend the title of this thread but they say it doesn’t break guidelines and I need to do so on the thread itself. So I am now asking politely that the OP has the title amended as imo it is totally misleading. This, of course, won’t happen. I’m finding some aspects of gransnet pretty disgusting at the moment and am happy to be banned.

It's not a nice place. I wonder if there are any alternatives or is it possible to set up an alternative?

Very ugly.

Primrose53

Casdon

Primrose53

Casdon

Allira

OldFrill

Someone with a second home complaining because someone else has a second home. Who is the hypocrite.

Is that deliberately ironic?

The number of sneering posts on GN about people who have second homes are not usually from those to the right of centre so it is amazing that, now a Labour politician has a holiday home, it is something to be applauded and defended.

Therein lies the irony!

😁

There is an irony in a post being made about Angela Rayner having a holiday home when the post is made by somebody who has a second home they have themselves used as a holiday home though, that cannot be denied.

Would you rather I had not been honest and pretended I didn’t have a second home? I have never used my second house as a holiday home. I have, for a couple of years, rented it out for holiday lets. That was because of covid when landlords were told we could not get rid of bad tenants.

I repeat what I said earlier, I am not the Housing Minister.

Honesty is always good, and I don’t mind at all Primrose53, why would I, we all make our choices, it’s just undeniably ironic.

Maybe in your world! Like I keep saying, but you fail to understand, is that I am NOT the Housing Minister. I am answerable to no one. It’s her job and she should be sorting out better homes for people not rubbing their noses in it.

Remind me when it was that the law came in that there could not be more than one irony on a thread Primrose53, because I confess that revelation had passed me by?

For the purpose of comparison, Rishi Sunak and Nigel Farage both own four homes by the way.

A balanced and slightly tongue-in-cheek piece from Sam Leith for The Spectator:

www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/angela-rayners-not-so-scandalous-third-home/

Over 2 million households have reported owing one or more second homes. As it stands then, Rayner isn’t doing anything that over two millions households don't already do.

There is nothing wrong with being Labour and having aspirations. If she has paid what has been alleged for this Brighton property, she isn't doing someone poor out of a home and she'll be paying a lot of council tax.

Casdon

It’s personal interpretation as to whether somebody is sneering I think, because we all have different styles, and we rub some people up the wrong way because they perceive what we say is sneering at them when we think what we are doing is just putting our point of view over. There’s no right or wrong on what people choose to do as long as it’s within the law regarding second homes, just different opinions.

That's an interesting thought, Casdon, and I'm going to reply quickly on this thread only because a couple of posters seemed surprised by the sneering comment.

I have seen sneering and mocking about 2nd homes on GN because it has been directed at me. Early on when I joined, and spoke of my other homes, a poster, no longer on the site I believe, replied with comments about a silver spoon in the mouth, and crumbs from a rich man's table. The fact that 2 of the properties were inherited, (one in tragic circumstances), provided more red rags to the bulls, having a go about how hard they had worked in life, and so the ridiculing increased. I clearly remember it.
The problem was that the sneers then became cleverly couched across different threads, no one else might have noticed them, but they were obvious to me.

Yes, we can all have different opinions, I am more than happy to explain my position, but where something like a 2nd home is concerned, some posters definitely do show derision and sarcasm.

GrannyGravy13

I personally do not care how many homes any one has.

I do have a problem with government ministers (from any party) making a song and dance about second home owners in parliament and on interviews with the media, and then purchasing themselves a second home by the sea.

They either have absolutely no awareness of the so called optics of this, or they just don’t care what the electorate thinks.

👍 I'm inclined to agree.

So is it aspirational to own a second property in a holiday area

or is it to be condemned for depriving local people of the opportunity of owning a home and destroying local communities.

Which is it to be?

escaped

Casdon

It’s personal interpretation as to whether somebody is sneering I think, because we all have different styles, and we rub some people up the wrong way because they perceive what we say is sneering at them when we think what we are doing is just putting our point of view over. There’s no right or wrong on what people choose to do as long as it’s within the law regarding second homes, just different opinions.

That's an interesting thought, Casdon, and I'm going to reply quickly on this thread only because a couple of posters seemed surprised by the sneering comment.

I have seen sneering and mocking about 2nd homes on GN because it has been directed at me. Early on when I joined, and spoke of my other homes, a poster, no longer on the site I believe, replied with comments about a silver spoon in the mouth, and crumbs from a rich man's table. The fact that 2 of the properties were inherited, (one in tragic circumstances), provided more red rags to the bulls, having a go about how hard they had worked in life, and so the ridiculing increased. I clearly remember it.
The problem was that the sneers then became cleverly couched across different threads, no one else might have noticed them, but they were obvious to me.

Yes, we can all have different opinions, I am more than happy to explain my position, but where something like a 2nd home is concerned, some posters definitely do show derision and sarcasm.

I’m sorry to hear that escaped, and I agree, that would constitute sneering to me too. I was looking at it from the perspective of polarised opinions being interpreted as sneering, not personal comments of that nature.

Casdon

escaped

Casdon

It’s personal interpretation as to whether somebody is sneering I think, because we all have different styles, and we rub some people up the wrong way because they perceive what we say is sneering at them when we think what we are doing is just putting our point of view over. There’s no right or wrong on what people choose to do as long as it’s within the law regarding second homes, just different opinions.

That's an interesting thought, Casdon, and I'm going to reply quickly on this thread only because a couple of posters seemed surprised by the sneering comment.

I have seen sneering and mocking about 2nd homes on GN because it has been directed at me. Early on when I joined, and spoke of my other homes, a poster, no longer on the site I believe, replied with comments about a silver spoon in the mouth, and crumbs from a rich man's table. The fact that 2 of the properties were inherited, (one in tragic circumstances), provided more red rags to the bulls, having a go about how hard they had worked in life, and so the ridiculing increased. I clearly remember it.
The problem was that the sneers then became cleverly couched across different threads, no one else might have noticed them, but they were obvious to me.

Yes, we can all have different opinions, I am more than happy to explain my position, but where something like a 2nd home is concerned, some posters definitely do show derision and sarcasm.

I’m sorry to hear that escaped, and I agree, that would constitute sneering to me too. I was looking at it from the perspective of polarised opinions being interpreted as sneering, not personal comments of that nature.

I'm sorry to hear that, too, escaped and perhaps relieved to hear that the poster concerned is no longer on Gnet.

Lathyrus3

So is it aspirational to own a second property in a holiday area

or is it to be condemned for depriving local people of the opportunity of owning a home and destroying local communities.

Which is it to be?

Good question, I bet you'll not get any answers though.

Should everyone be aiming to own two homes for their exclusive use and if so what will that mean for the housing shortage we hear so much about? Will desirable holiday destinations have even fewer local, full-time residents? I remember when Welsh nationalists were burning down English owned holiday homes in protest, heaven forbid that mindset returns.

Quote Rosie51 Mon 25-Aug-25 13:47:31
Should everyone be aiming to own two homes for their exclusive use and if so what will that mean for the housing shortage we hear so much about? Will desirable holiday destinations have even fewer local, full-time residents? I remember when Welsh nationalists were burning down English owned holiday homes in protest, heaven forbid that mindset returns.

Yes they did, following what the English did to the families and homes in Capel Celyn. I joined the marches there and in Liverpool against pointless because the English parliament voted for

Casdon

escaped

Casdon

It’s personal interpretation as to whether somebody is sneering I think, because we all have different styles, and we rub some people up the wrong way because they perceive what we say is sneering at them when we think what we are doing is just putting our point of view over. There’s no right or wrong on what people choose to do as long as it’s within the law regarding second homes, just different opinions.

That's an interesting thought, Casdon, and I'm going to reply quickly on this thread only because a couple of posters seemed surprised by the sneering comment.

I have seen sneering and mocking about 2nd homes on GN because it has been directed at me. Early on when I joined, and spoke of my other homes, a poster, no longer on the site I believe, replied with comments about a silver spoon in the mouth, and crumbs from a rich man's table. The fact that 2 of the properties were inherited, (one in tragic circumstances), provided more red rags to the bulls, having a go about how hard they had worked in life, and so the ridiculing increased. I clearly remember it.
The problem was that the sneers then became cleverly couched across different threads, no one else might have noticed them, but they were obvious to me.

Yes, we can all have different opinions, I am more than happy to explain my position, but where something like a 2nd home is concerned, some posters definitely do show derision and sarcasm.

I’m sorry to hear that escaped, and I agree, that would constitute sneering to me too. I was looking at it from the perspective of polarised opinions being interpreted as sneering, not personal comments of that nature.

That was one example I remember, escaped.

We've never owned a second home so I am speaking from an impartial viewpoint.

When it is a Labour MP, in fact the Secretary of State for Housing, who has three homes, the irony is difficult to avoid.

Casdon

Primrose53

Casdon

Primrose53

Casdon

Allira

OldFrill

Someone with a second home complaining because someone else has a second home. Who is the hypocrite.

Is that deliberately ironic?

The number of sneering posts on GN about people who have second homes are not usually from those to the right of centre so it is amazing that, now a Labour politician has a holiday home, it is something to be applauded and defended.

Therein lies the irony!

😁

There is an irony in a post being made about Angela Rayner having a holiday home when the post is made by somebody who has a second home they have themselves used as a holiday home though, that cannot be denied.

Would you rather I had not been honest and pretended I didn’t have a second home? I have never used my second house as a holiday home. I have, for a couple of years, rented it out for holiday lets. That was because of covid when landlords were told we could not get rid of bad tenants.

I repeat what I said earlier, I am not the Housing Minister.

Honesty is always good, and I don’t mind at all Primrose53, why would I, we all make our choices, it’s just undeniably ironic.

Maybe in your world! Like I keep saying, but you fail to understand, is that I am NOT the Housing Minister. I am answerable to no one. It’s her job and she should be sorting out better homes for people not rubbing their noses in it.

Remind me when it was that the law came in that there could not be more than one irony on a thread Primrose53, because I confess that revelation had passed me by?

For the purpose of comparison, Rishi Sunak and Nigel Farage both own four homes by the way.

For the purpose of comparison, Rishi Sunak and Nigel Farage both own four homes by the way.

Tory and Reform, aren't they Casdon. Out of touch with ordinary people!
Only to be expected 😂

Rosie51

Lathyrus3

So is it aspirational to own a second property in a holiday area

or is it to be condemned for depriving local people of the opportunity of owning a home and destroying local communities.

Which is it to be?

Good question, I bet you'll not get any answers though.

Should everyone be aiming to own two homes for their exclusive use and if so what will that mean for the housing shortage we hear so much about? Will desirable holiday destinations have even fewer local, full-time residents? I remember when Welsh nationalists were burning down English owned holiday homes in protest, heaven forbid that mindset returns.

Why do you think people wouldn’t answer?
It’s not something I would do myself, I’ve seen the impact on villages in Wales where it’s happened, it sucks the life out of them, which is sad, particularly as it means local people have to move away because they can’t afford to buy. I agree with a premium council tax being charged for second home owners. I wouldn’t condemn anybody else who wanted to do it though, we all make different choices in all aspects of our lives, and I’m helping my children with their house buying journeys rather than having a second home myself. No doubt there are some who would condemn that too, but I don’t mind.

I think everybody must be out of touch with everybody else judging by this thread Allira. Live and let live doesn’t seem to apply.

Is it becoming polarised, like the country, Casdon?

It's certainly getting more painful sitting on the fence!
I do remember getting told off on GN for being a floating voter but if it wasn't for floating voters there'd be little chance of a change of Government.

Allira

OldFrill

Someone with a second home complaining because someone else has a second home. Who is the hypocrite.

Is that deliberately ironic?

The number of sneering posts on GN about people who have second homes are not usually from those to the right of centre so it is amazing that, now a Labour politician has a holiday home, it is something to be applauded and defended.

Therein lies the irony!

😁

I wasn't being intentionally ironic but apparently l others see irony where none was intended. I most certainly wasn't sneering, that indeed would be ironic 😉

“Nigel Farage owns four homes by the way”

Ah Nigel, the multi millionaire. Truly a man of the people; in touch with ordinary working class folk … or so he likes to portray himself. He must think people are thick!

Lathyrus asks if it’s inspirational to buy a second property in a holding day area, or wrong to deprive locals of the opportunity to buy

I suspect it’s inspirational if it’s a poster here who worked hard to achieve that and just wrong on every level if it’s Angela Raynor