Can Starmer survive? The wolves are circling in the Labour Party.

Surely we do have a right of centre party in power MayBee70

Ilovecheese

Surely we do have a right of centre party in power MayBee70

Only because the electorate wouldn’t vote for a left of centre party. Even though the very people that need one the most are the least likely to vote for one .

MayBee70 you cannot blame the press for Lord Mandelson.

Ilovecheese

Surely we do have a right of centre party in power MayBee70

I think the problem is that the current PM and his cabinet have no idea where the party sits

It’s not a Labour Party as such, it seems to be floundering at home. Rachel Reeves is hell bent on continuing austerity, dreading the Autumn budget.

On the positive, the PM appears to be more successful on the world stage than at home

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70 you cannot blame the press for Lord Mandelson.

True. But the press pick up on everything that can to discredit Starmer. Remember donkey gate?

MayBee70

Imo Starmer needed someone as politically savvy and wily as Mandelson to deal with Trump. Also someone that might have a bit of influence over him for various reasons . Of course, if we were still in the EU we could have used them to do our negotiating and also wouldn’t be so sickeningly dependent on America for trade deals.

Tony Blair?

He only does well with Trump because he massages and plays to his ego and because he handed over invitation from the King for a state visit! Nothing to do with him being an excellent PM, just being politic and doing what he's told to do..... but I kinda get it, if that's what it takes to get a deal

MayBee70

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70 you cannot blame the press for Lord Mandelson.

True. But the press pick up on everything that can to discredit Starmer. Remember donkey gate?

Oh come on, Boris had it 10 times worse than KS.

That's because he was, not just ten times, but immeasurably worse than Starmer.

Oh come on, Boris had it 10 times worse than KS

You can’t be serious Primrose53!

“Historians will be baffled by the readiness of Britain’s largest media organisations to lick Johnson’s boots for so long, and will surely look for an explanation”

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/38882/even-the-sycophancy-of-an-amoral-tory-press-couldnt-save-boris-johnson

Yes, and isn't Johnson back under scrutiny because of misuse of post government funds?

I think the problem is this time that the current PM and the Party have no idea.

They are the Labour Party.
You elected them.
.

Mojack26

He only does well with Trump because he massages and plays to his ego and because he handed over invitation from the King for a state visit! Nothing to do with him being an excellent PM, just being politic and doing what he's told to do..... but I kinda get it, if that's what it takes to get a deal

What choice does he have? We depend on America now . And yet Obama was criticised when he said if we left the EU we couldn’t depend on trade deals with America.

It is Keir Starmer and his predilection for unsuitable appointments that are under discussion.

eazybee

^I think the problem is this time that the current PM and the Party have no idea.^

They are the Labour Party.
You elected them.
.

I haven’t got that on my conscious, thank goodness 😅

Farage was on BBC news for ages at lunch time, holding court about the deflection.
Starmer needs to get his communication strategy worked out. Did he just employ an ex-Sun editor to the team?

eazybee

It is Keir Starmer and his predilection for unsuitable appointments that are under discussion.

😹 Yes, but…

I don’t care what political party is in power, I just want the next PM to be completely honest, and realise, the county cannot keep living beyond its means! The more the rich are taxed the more of them leave the uk! I would like them to follow Australia’s rules on immigration. The uk are giving millions of aid money away to other ‘poor’ countries, this needs to be looked into! I have retired this year aged 66, I feel sorry for people who have to wait until 67.68 and god forbid, 70 to get their state pension.

I don't think we have stats to prove that the more you tax the rich, and I mean the super rich, the more of them leave the UK. People keep putting that forward as a reason to not so do.
Any of you have the stats?
Agree with you about the rise of pension ages.

I know personally three high earners who have left the U.K. for Dubai, since Labour have come to power.

Quote eazybee Mon 15-Sept-25 17:13:15
It is Keir Starmer and his predilection for unsuitable appointments that are under discussion.

Which appointments ?

And talking of Dubai, doesn't that Patriot Richard Tice live there part of the time?

GrannyGravy13

I know personally three high earners who have left the U.K. for Dubai, since Labour have come to power.

Such patriots!

LizzieDrip

GrannyGravy13

I know personally three high earners who have left the U.K. for Dubai, since Labour have come to power.

Such patriots!

They are putting themselves and their families first, I cannot blame them for that.

Dubai wouldn’t be my choice.

sparkynan

I don’t care what political party is in power, I just want the next PM to be completely honest, and realise, the county cannot keep living beyond its means! The more the rich are taxed the more of them leave the uk! I would like them to follow Australia’s rules on immigration. The uk are giving millions of aid money away to other ‘poor’ countries, this needs to be looked into! I have retired this year aged 66, I feel sorry for people who have to wait until 67.68 and god forbid, 70 to get their state pension.

Overseas aid has been reduced. Also some of it is used towards migrants that arrive here. Overseas aid is also a very clever way of gaining soft power over countries. China uses it a lot.