Can Starmer survive? The wolves are circling in the Labour Party.

Which appointments?
Most of them.
The dreadful Rayner has gone.
Unelected Lord Hermer needs to go
Mandelson has gone but needs to leave the Lords
Rachel Reeves will go once she has tried really hard with the budget but failed, then he can give it to one of his chums.

Anniebach

Quote eazybee Mon 15-Sept-25 17:13:15
It is Keir Starmer and his predilection for unsuitable appointments that are under discussion.

Which appointments ?

Seem to remember the Conservatives government reappointing several ministers that had had to resign. Wasn’t Priti Patel one of them. And Braverman? It was like a game of musical chairs at one time. But people have short memories.

How many people involved with Reform ( aka the next government) have had to resign over the past year or so?

MayBee70 Mon 15-Sept-25 18:04:10

Seem to remember the Conservatives government reappointing several ministers that had had to resign. Wasn’t Priti Patel one of them. And Braverman? It was like a game of musical chairs at one time. But people have short memories.

Yes, the joke doing the rounds at that time
“Swing doors been fitted to number 10

Catching up after a day where the destruction of our nhs has been writ large for my grandchild. I’m so cross I might start a thread - meanwhile :-

MayBee70, 👍🏻👏👏👏👏👏👏 and thank you for keeling going, for remaining calm and reminding us of the positives our Labour government has achieved so far

Thanks MaizieD for reminding us if the benefits of the Blair/Brown years, I’ve posted before my appreciation of yiur economics knowledge.

I’m waiting to see Keir Starmer’s interview responses to questions about Mandelson, I haven’t yet decided he has to go.

Primrose53

MayBee70

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70 you cannot blame the press for Lord Mandelson.

True. But the press pick up on everything that can to discredit Starmer. Remember donkey gate?

Oh come on, Boris had it 10 times worse than KS.

Because he was a total con man and a liar.

Just saying.

Quote eazybee Mon 15-Sept-25 17:57:32
Which appointments?
Most of them.
The dreadful Rayner has gone.
Unelected Lord Hermer needs to go
Mandelson has gone but needs to leave the Lords

Angela Rayner was voted by party members for position of Deputy PM,

This is a list of resignations from the second government formed by Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Between forming a government on 13 December 2019 after the 2019 general election and his eventual resignation amid a government crisis, Johnson faced the resignation of 10 cabinet ministers (one of whom resigned on two separate occasions) and 3 ministers 'attending cabinet'. This list omits ministers who were invited to leave the government during the 2020, 2021, or 2022 cabinet reshuffles. It also excludes all ministers who resigned during the previous government formed by Johnson.

I think AR did do something wrong deliberately because everyone says she's very clever. But maybe she's not as clever as she thought.

I think AR did deliberately do something wrong. Everyone says she's very clever so she must have known. Although maybe she's not as clever as she thought.

Sadly, AR did not go before authorising destruction of the Green Belt. I remember Emily Thornberry (mentioned elsewhere) giving a fulsome assurance before the GE that Labour were not going to concrete over the Green Belt....

He is trying to fix the huge hidden hole in the budget. He is trying undo 13 years of damage. It is going to take a long while.
He is getting bitching all around from those who should not better.
He is also trying to fix a lot of patchy uneconomic processes and claiming back a lot of expensive outsourcing. Note he has rationalised the health dept, he is removing 2 tier councils, reclaimed the DWP to remove duplication, and trying to fix our underinvestment in bus, water and rail services.
Not bad for a start.

I question his judgement. Anyone who gives those idiots David Lammy and Ed Silliband top jobs has to be mad as box of frogs.

Foxyferret

I question his judgement. Anyone who gives those idiots David Lammy and Ed Silliband top jobs has to be mad as box of frogs.

So who do you want to lead the country?

I watched the emergency debate on Mandelson this afternoon, despite a three week recess this isn’t going away and Starmer has a lot of questions to answer, I hope he is honest.

Jane43

I watched the emergency debate on Mandelson this afternoon, despite a three week recess this isn’t going away and Starmer has a lot of questions to answer, I hope he is honest.

I have every faith in him being honest.

MayBee70

Foxyferret

I question his judgement. Anyone who gives those idiots David Lammy and Ed Silliband top jobs has to be mad as box of frogs.

So who do you want to lead the country?

It’s a real conundrum isn’t it? The lack of talent on the front bench is jaw dropping.
So Starmer will have to plod on.

You do not need to have ideas about who could be a replacement before you say someone should be sacked. If the current leader is clearly failing and doing this in a way that is detrimental to the electors, then he should go. Think abut a replacement when he has gone.

M0nica

You do not need to have ideas about who could be a replacement before you say someone should be sacked. If the current leader is clearly failing and doing this in a way that is detrimental to the electors, then he should go. Think abut a replacement when he has gone.

He not at the point of failing yet, but he does need to up his game considerably and get control of the party otherwise he will be seen as ineffectual as Corbyn. It’s no good following every whim of every liberal cause or policy you have to set policy and stick to it.

There are no potential replacements because the party thinks they can maneuver Starmer whichever way they want, that’s all that’s happened so far.

I have every faith in him being honest.

Such a shame he wasn't present at the debate when he could have given an honest answer.

The lack of talent on both front benches, Labour and Tory, is very worrying. Far too many career-ists, few with real life experience.

It’s no good following every whim of every liberal cause or policy you have to set policy and stick to it.

But he's not following every whim of every liberal cause, is he, David. He's pandering to the increasingly extreme right.

The right would say he is clamping down hard, you are extreme left so you wouldn’t like anything that benefits even centrist policy, your economics are let’s spend the money first then try to get the revenue sometime never, even Blair wasn’t that extreme.

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Labour Councillor Mason Humberstone has defected to Reform.

David49

The right would say he is clamping down hard, you are extreme left so you wouldn’t like anything that benefits even centrist policy, your economics are let’s spend the money first then try to get the revenue sometime never, even Blair wasn’t that extreme.

Nonsense, David, there's nothing extreme left about me.

What you term my economics is based on Keynesianism, empirical evidence and a bit more logic than your apparent belief that wealth is created by some people out of thin air.

MaizieD

David49

The right would say he is clamping down hard, you are extreme left so you wouldn’t like anything that benefits even centrist policy, your economics are let’s spend the money first then try to get the revenue sometime never, even Blair wasn’t that extreme.

Nonsense, David, there's nothing extreme left about me.

What you term my economics is based on Keynesianism, empirical evidence and a bit more logic than your apparent belief that wealth is created by some people out of thin air.

No Maisie, Keynes promotes spending to grow the economy, you all your posts promote increase social spending and increasing borrowing/QE to do it.
Starmers policy originally was for social spending to be paid out of revenue, that I agree with but doubt it’s going to be achieved now.