Can Starmer survive? The wolves are circling in the Labour Party.

But people can see exactly what is happening in America and yet his mini me over here is still gaining popularity. I just don’t understand it .

Because they looked at Trump looked at the alternative and picked Trump. And they knew who he was. He had served a term already.
It might be better to think about why that was rather than simply talk about how awful Farage/Trump is.

But people are turning to Reform without knowing what on earth they stand for other than ‘turning back the boats’.

MayBee70

But people can see exactly what is happening in America and yet his mini me over here is still gaining popularity. I just don’t understand it .

You don’t have to understand it because plenty of people do like him.

Farage appeals to some evidently. Why is that I wonder.
Why do you call him a mini me?

nanna8

What would be really,really good is if Starmer actually listens to his critics and changes. At least a bit. I don’t think he is a bad man, just not a good PM. The alternatives aren’t crash hot and maybe he needs to drop a few hints that way. I really couldn’t think of anyone at all right at this moment who would be able to replace him. Farage is just too much of an unknown quantity though he sounds good and says all the ‘right’ things to his audiences.

Good summing up 👍🏻

Load of Telsgraph waffle about Burnham challenging Starmer. IMHO there are too many hurdles - finding a seat, getting selected in teeth of national Labour Party opposition (veto?), probably no Cabinet Minister would help his campaign (disloyal to Starmer), opposed by Reform, then has to get 80 MPs to nominate in a leadership challenge and has to beat Starmer. All unlikely I think.

I think you'r right, Grantanow, sadly. I really do wish the stars would align to make it happen though. People seem to struggle with the fact that Starmer is not charismatic and Burnham has a media presence. There are obvious problems with factions within the LP, and Burnham does seem to inspire unity.

Also, and most importantly, one of Starmer's main problems is that he is seen as part of the Londoncentric 'elite' that dominates so much in the UK, but Burnham is more of a 'man of the people'. Whatever the truth of that, these days so much is about perception, and Burnham would be better as a challenger to the threat of Farage. If he managed to redistribute the investment and advantage that London and the SE gets to the rest of the country, a lot of problems might go away. We've heard so many people talk about 'levelling up', but it hasn't happened, and we are reaping the consequences of that now.

Primrose53

MayBee70

But people can see exactly what is happening in America and yet his mini me over here is still gaining popularity. I just don’t understand it .

You don’t have to understand it because plenty of people do like him.

It is same old. But more.
The silent voter syndrome.

The silent voters seem to make up a bigger and bigger part of the electorate nowawadays.

Dont blame them.
Too much abuse hurled when people do speak.

People also tell lies
And to pollsters sometimes.

It could also be it feels new.
I havent understodd for more than a decade, why people kept voting for same old.

Even Lib Dems look like they may be reinventing themselves.
I dont think that will harm them.

I don't know what I feel about this.
I think Starmer became PM due to a rejection of the Tories rather than an endorsement of what he stood for. I am hoping this isn't more of the same - a rejection of Starmer rather than an endorsement of Burnham.

What always astounds me about any Party, is how few people there are who would make Leader, let alone a good one.

I am going by how few people put themselves forward, and commentators and those in a Party, who mention names.

MayBee70

But people can see exactly what is happening in America and yet his mini me over here is still gaining popularity. I just don’t understand it .

Nor do the rest of thd 63% of this country who don't want him. But "empty vessels make the most noise" and distract people from real life.

Farage is an ugly little man with incredible charisma and a gifted speaker. He is saying what disaffected people want to hear. Now who do we know from the 1930s who was able to sway public opinion and came to power by legal means?

Galaxy

I don't know what I feel about this.
I think Starmer became PM due to a rejection of the Tories rather than an endorsement of what he stood for. I am hoping this isn't more of the same - a rejection of Starmer rather than an endorsement of Burnham.

Well I, for one, would endorse Burnham. I suspect that most voters have more agency than you seem to credit us with, Galaxy. Of course we can only vote for who is available, so there is more than an element of that at play, but I do feel that AB would be good at offering a real alternative to both the authoritarian stance that KS has taken and to the terrifying prospect of a Reform government because he has both the personality and the principles that I can relate to.

You think Farage has Hit ler-like ambitions?

that was to friendlygingercat.

Farage might be average height but why is the word little constantly being used in a disparaging way as an insult?

I’m not sure that little in this context refers to Farage’s height Allira, isn’t it more about his delusions of grandeur?

Increible really, that Starmer has taken less than 18 months for people to be looking for a new Leader.

Not really fancythat, because it’s happened with the last three PMs too. I think the days of a single leader for a whole parliamentary term could be in the past. It’s becoming more like football management every day.

I don’t see delusions of grandeur in him. I would be wary of him because he is such an unknown but he is certainly a very good speaker and he can engage easily with people. Whether he ever gets to be PM is very much up in the air, I somehow doubt it. Someone like him is needed to voice what many are thinking . The next step is for those in power to actually listen and change - he would disappear pretty quickly if they did.

Try following his daily proclamations nanna8.