This must be a sad day for England

I don't believe that women who want male free spaces are bigots, and I am afraid I don't think that people who have concerns about immigration are bigots, and I am afraid I think that applies to lots of people on that March. It isn't the vocabulary as such it is the way it is thrown around.

We can often rely on him to make a bad situation worse these days.

I am not sure reading the room is one of his superpowers. What a mess.

Maremia

Chicken Tikka Masala, yes probs invented in Glasgow, an example of the delights that come from cultural fusion. Bangladeshi chefs catering to the tastes of their Glasgow keelie customers, who liked a little bit of sauce with their dinner.
Thanks Allira.

A curry isn't a curry without an onion bhaji or two.
Sorry, off piste.

As you were.

I don’t think that calling all people worried about illegal immigration stupid or racist will help but then neither do I think that calling all Muslims woman-hating-sharia-loving extremists who don’t share our values will help either.
This is about all of us, and if we want to unify as a nation we have to include all those who have made this nation what it is, and that includes indigenous English people and those from other cultures/religions who
have made this country their home.

but then neither do I think that calling all Muslims woman-hating-sharia-loving extremists who don’t share our values will help either.

Has anyone actually said that?

Maremia

Preserving British culture? Footage on social media showing a flag clothed gentleman and his friends consuming delicious onion bhajis on his way to yesterday's family festival.
Which part of England was it that created such tasty cuisine?

The Indians who make onion bhajis ARE British.

Did you see the black guy who was marching yesterday in support of preserving British culture? Dressed head to toe in Union Jack suit, UJ hat and UJ sunglasses. He looked fantastic and said he was so proud to live here.

What wrecks the ability to debate sensibly is when people attack the poster rather than what the poster is saying. It's the snide comments which really annoy me I have absolutely no problem with anyone disagreeing with what I say but fgs just give me your argument not your opinion of me and don't put things into my mouth that I've not said. I think they are easy rules to follow and if on occasions I get pulled up for not following them, I will (and have) apologised. Many of the threads on news and politics cover important topics and are worthy of proper debate. This is one of them.
I really want to understand why people who are not racist or islamophobic, who don't intend to be violent and genuinely want a united Britain would turn out to march with Tommy Robinson. As yet no one has given me a reason.

Allira

^but then neither do I think that calling all Muslims woman-hating-sharia-loving extremists who don’t share our values will help either.^

Has anyone actually said that?

I haven’t seen any posts on here saying that…

foxie48

What wrecks the ability to debate sensibly is when people attack the poster rather than what the poster is saying. It's the snide comments which really annoy me I have absolutely no problem with anyone disagreeing with what I say but fgs just give me your argument not your opinion of me and don't put things into my mouth that I've not said. I think they are easy rules to follow and if on occasions I get pulled up for not following them, I will (and have) apologised. Many of the threads on news and politics cover important topics and are worthy of proper debate. This is one of them.
I really want to understand why people who are not racist or islamophobic, who don't intend to be violent and genuinely want a united Britain would turn out to march with Tommy Robinson. As yet no one has given me a reason.

Maybe because they feel the two main political parties have anything to offer them…

Kandinsky

Thing about that poem is, many on the march yesterday fear that the Muslim culture is taking over the country.
And as many Muslims are extremely conservative ( you could even say ‘far right’ ) in their views, not wanting homosexuality spoken about in schools, their views on women etc - maybe Tommy Robinson is more on your side than you think.

Muslim culture is not taking over this country and it never will. These arguments about Muslim culture echo the concerns over 100 years ago over the influence of Irish catholic immigration to this country, The fear that the army would be undermined because Irish catholics would obey the Pope rather than the army command if the Pope made a decree that conflicted with army instructions - I had that accusation made to me in the 1960s - I come from an Irish catholic family, with a long history of service in the British army.

Yet, where are we now? is the country ruled by catholic prelates laaying down the lay for everybody? Of course it isn't.

I think this exageration of Muslim power, as with catholic power, is that immigrants tend to cluster together in cities when they first enter this country. There is community support and jobs there and they are very visible. Move out of the big cities to the smaller towns, remote provinces and you will find the number of Muslim people in the community is much lower, but of course it is cities where news outlets are, where rabble rousers congregate, and where 'threats' get exagerated.

As I pointed out Sharia courts are no different to those in the Cof E ot catholic church for governing their own affairs and they apply only to their own members who agree to accept the courts findings.

As for Sharia marriages, they are just a way of giving a religious gloss to couples choosing to live together rather than legally marry.

Allira

^but then neither do I think that calling all Muslims woman-hating-sharia-loving extremists who don’t share our values will help either.^

Has anyone actually said that?

Yes.
Read back over the thread.

62Granny

Yes a sad day for ALL the UK. I wonder how many the met police will arrest, probably not Tommy Robinson and his gang of racist thugs , they seem to be bullet proof.

Hopefully they'll arrest all the fascist left wing thugs who go out to cause trouble.
The police have been involved with the prep for this parade.

Read back over the thread.

Probably not, I was avoiding it but if you could give me time and date of the post, I'll look. Thank you 🙂

Primrose53

Maremia

Preserving British culture? Footage on social media showing a flag clothed gentleman and his friends consuming delicious onion bhajis on his way to yesterday's family festival.
Which part of England was it that created such tasty cuisine?

The Indians who make onion bhajis ARE British.

Did you see the black guy who was marching yesterday in support of preserving British culture? Dressed head to toe in Union Jack suit, UJ hat and UJ sunglasses. He looked fantastic and said he was so proud to live here.

But what is British culture? I have no doubt that most (if not all) people who have either come from other countries or who have been born here are proud to be British. I'm proud to be British but I don't expect to share the same culture as everyone else who is British. I bet I have a very different culture to the man you describe and that's absolutely fine. We don't need to share a culture, what we need is to be tolerant of people with a culture different to our own but who live in our society. Our different cultures enrich us, they certainly don't take anything away.

GG13 but what do they feel the likes of TR is offering them. In his speech he was talking about revolution, but what I didn't get was revolution to achieve what? TBH I think TR would like white supremacy with him and his boys wielding the power. I honestly don't think the "silent majority" that he thinks he is talking to, actually would want that, would they?

Allira

^Read back over the thread.^

Probably not, I was avoiding it but if you could give me time and date of the post, I'll look. Thank you 🙂

Well I could trawl through but was annoying enough the first time.
In any case it comes as no surprise that people openly say such things because Farage, TR, and Musk have made racism/Islamophobia mainstream.
But am afraid you will have to take my word or not.
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foxie48

GG13 but what do they feel the likes of TR is offering them. In his speech he was talking about revolution, but what I didn't get was revolution to achieve what? TBH I think TR would like white supremacy with him and his boys wielding the power. I honestly don't think the "silent majority" that he thinks he is talking to, actually would want that, would they?

I have no idea what all the silent majority think as I do not know them.

The people I do know are heartily disappointed in the current government, and no faith in the other political parties.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

And yet Starmer called us ‘an island of strangers’.

He actually said “we risk becoming an island of strangers”.

I should add that they are not fans of TR, are not far right some have concerns around immigration, some do not, some are not white either.

If only those who seem to be afraid of Muslims taking over the country or all of us governed by Sharia law could realise how terrified some of us are by people like Yaxley Lennon and his followers .

“Robinson served five prison terms between 2005 and 2025. In 2013, he illegally entered the United States using a friend's passport. In 2018 he violated a court order by publishing a Facebook Live video of defendants entering court. Prior to sentencing, he appeared on the American far-right website InfoWars to appeal for political asylum in the US. In 2021, he was subjected to a five-year stalking prevention order for harassing the journalist Lizzie Dearden and her partner. In 2021, he was found to have libelled a 15-year-old refugee at a school in Huddersfield and was ordered to pay £100,000 plus legal costs. After breaching an injunction about repeating the libel, Robinson was sentenced to 18 months in prison for contempt of court in October 2024; the sentence length was later reduced after he said he would comply with the injunction in future. In June 2022, Robinson said that he spent £100,000 in gambling before declaring bankruptcy in March 2021. He also said he owed an estimated £160,000 to HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC). The Times said that he owes in the region of £2 million to his creditors, and is the subject of a HMRC investigation over unpaid taxes.”

I thought he was still in prison.
Obviously not.

The people I know wouldn't attend a march organised by Tommy Robinson with a guest appearance of Elon Musk.
I understand how fed up people are but don't understand the reason to attend. It was bound to end in violence.

AGAA4

The people I know wouldn't attend a march organised by Tommy Robinson with a guest appearance of Elon Musk.
I understand how fed up people are but don't understand the reason to attend. It was bound to end in violence.

It’s been acknowledged that there was a small section of the march that ended in violence, the other 99% of participants were peaceful.

I am not a supporter of TR but I really do not like distorted statements