This must be a sad day for England

I really want to understand why people who are not racist or islamophobic, who don't intend to be violent and genuinely want a united Britain would turn out to march with Tommy Robinson. As yet no one has given me a reason.

I didn't march, I live too far away from London, but as it said on the news, many people who did march were there not to fight, or because they are racist. But because they wanted to express their concern.

They may be told they have to wait three weeks for a doctor's appointment, or their children can't find suitable housing, and many other similar reasons, as these are being taken up by the large numbers of immigrants entering the country.

No British government can manage the needs of the current population it has already. And to continually add so many more people into the mix is making everything so much worse.

GrannyGravy It wasn't a distorted statement as there was violence .Ask the 26 policeman who were hurt. I didn't say the whole 150000 were involved.

AGAA4

GrannyGravy It wasn't a distorted statement as there was violence .Ask the 26 policeman who were hurt. I didn't say the whole 150000 were involved.

I acknowledged in my post that there was violence.

Footage of yesterday just shown again clearly shows the counter protestors dressed in black and all wearing black masks. rent a mob out in force again. I thought masks were not supposed to be worn now.

Cabowich

^I really want to understand why people who are not racist or islamophobic, who don't intend to be violent and genuinely want a united Britain would turn out to march with Tommy Robinson. As yet no one has given me a reason.^

I didn't march, I live too far away from London, but as it said on the news, many people who did march were there not to fight, or because they are racist. But because they wanted to express their concern.

They may be told they have to wait three weeks for a doctor's appointment, or their children can't find suitable housing, and many other similar reasons, as these are being taken up by the large numbers of immigrants entering the country.

No British government can manage the needs of the current population it has already. And to continually add so many more people into the mix is making everything so much worse.

So why did they march with someone like TR, he didn't have a manifesto for improving the NHS. If he turfed out all the NHS workers who are here on visas the NHS would collapse. He didn't have a plan for building more houses either.

Yes there was violence so not a distorted view. People should have remembered the Southport riots instigated by Tommy Robinson and yet they turned out to listen to him.

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AGAA4

Yes there was violence so not a distorted view. People should have remembered the Southport riots instigated by Tommy Robinson and yet they turned out to listen to him.

Obviously thousands of people are interested in what TR has to say, he appears to be filling a vacuum that other parties aren’t.

I am trying to understand their reasons, without calling them names, or saying they are uneducated.

I will say again I do not support TR

Babs03

Action Palestine don’t have more arrests because of violence. It has been declared an illegal/terrorist group that cannot gather on our streets so the police have to try to arrest everyone, which is such a wasted use of police time when those attending one of these demos are not violent or in any way terrorists.

I have my Plasticene Action T shirt ready for when I get to the UK on Wednesday. Such an overreach of terrorism laws. I would not have expected this kind of thing from a Labour Gov. I will vote Lib Dem next time.

Galaxy

I loathe people being called stupid as well. It is why we are where we are.

What do you do when they obviously are? Lie?

Allira

MollyNew

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Babs03 and growstuff totally agree with you that most Muslims are lovely people. I have a good friend, a doctor locally, she attended Hadj last year.

However.
There is a flip side to all this kumbaya.

Why is that school teacher who was hounded out by a baying mob in Batley still in hiding all these years on?

It’s not all flowers and lollipops. Good and bad in all religions.
I’m a Humanist so I have no skin in the game but I do like fairness. In everything and for everyone.

Nowt wrong with that!

A Humanist? An Atheist, maybe but Humanists UK promote tolerance, empathy and kindness. I've not seen much evidence of this in some of your recent posts. Also, your "some of my best friends are muslim" is a bit of a cliche.

Also, your "some of my best friends are muslim" is a bit of a cliche.
Yet it keeps being used by several posters claiming friends, family members, second cousins three times removed etc. to prove how tolerant they are compared to other posters.

Actually it's to say how invested we are in our family and friends. Weird probably to you but hey....

Yes, those Bangladeshi chefs are British, and they brought their culture from outwith these islands, but how do they feel today walking about town where flags are flying? Welcome? Intimidated?

Babs03

I don’t think that calling all people worried about illegal immigration stupid or racist will help but then neither do I think that calling all Muslims woman-hating-sharia-loving extremists who don’t share our values will help either.
This is about all of us, and if we want to unify as a nation we have to include all those who have made this nation what it is, and that includes indigenous English people and those from other cultures/religions who
have made this country their home.

I agree, we all have to get along. Or face a Northern Island situation of constant sectarian violence. Is that what we want for our kids? However I think Russia is going to kick off soon against NATO and this will all be the least of our worries. We'll see exactly how brave these men draped in the flag are then maybe? I suspect they will be f'ing useless.

And no, not off piste Allira, simply pointing out to anyone on here who is wary of 'others', how much foreign 'influence' has enhanced our lives.

Thousands of people are willing to listen to Stephen Yaxley Lennin, because he 'fills a void'.
What has he promised to do for these people?
What hope does he bring them?
Which good experiences from his past life does he draw on to be a leader?

'Plasticene Action' worth a try.

The reason why TR fills a vacuum is because he appeals to people’s fears and prejudices, is the oldest trick in the book, Trump and Farage do the same. They take a scapegoat that they know many people feel uneasy about and make it into a bogeyman that will steal their country and their jobs/women etc. This idea of a group of people taking over a country is not new, in 1930s Germany people were persuaded to feel that Jews were taking over the country, taking influential jobs, especially in finance.
In Southern states of the US before civil rights there were regular tropes about black people over populating the country, being over sexed and raping white women, and being more violent/savage.
We can see resonances with this and what TR, Farage, Trump and Musk are saying.
And they are not offering solutions just unrest, division, and violence. But people in times of trouble want to blame someone for their situation, especially when politicians are weak and incompetent.
These are dangerous and very dark times for this kind of far right nonsense never ends well.

Good for him Primrose 53, I hope none of the Tommy thugs were rude to him.

Cabowich

^I really want to understand why people who are not racist or islamophobic, who don't intend to be violent and genuinely want a united Britain would turn out to march with Tommy Robinson. As yet no one has given me a reason.^

I didn't march, I live too far away from London, but as it said on the news, many people who did march were there not to fight, or because they are racist. But because they wanted to express their concern.

They may be told they have to wait three weeks for a doctor's appointment, or their children can't find suitable housing, and many other similar reasons, as these are being taken up by the large numbers of immigrants entering the country.

No British government can manage the needs of the current population it has already. And to continually add so many more people into the mix is making everything so much worse.

Totally agree….but no one is listening to the concerns of the majority. Instead they are labelled as ‘far right’.

Maremia

'Plasticene Action' worth a try.

Bought the t-shirt off of Temu. My next fancy dress I am going to wear it and take a Zimmer frame and go as a terrorist.

Maremia

Good for him Primrose 53, I hope none of the Tommy thugs were rude to him.

Or made money noises, that's a favourite of those sorts.

Poppyred

Cabowich

I really want to understand why people who are not racist or islamophobic, who don't intend to be violent and genuinely want a united Britain would turn out to march with Tommy Robinson. As yet no one has given me a reason.

I didn't march, I live too far away from London, but as it said on the news, many people who did march were there not to fight, or because they are racist. But because they wanted to express their concern.

They may be told they have to wait three weeks for a doctor's appointment, or their children can't find suitable housing, and many other similar reasons, as these are being taken up by the large numbers of immigrants entering the country.

No British government can manage the needs of the current population it has already. And to continually add so many more people into the mix is making everything so much worse.

Totally agree….but no one is listening to the concerns of the majority. Instead they are labelled as ‘far right’.

The doctor you will see is likely to be an immigrant or 2nd/3rd generation. Basically we have a problem with anti education amongst a proportion of our indigenous population. They are simply not able to do these roles.

IOMGran

Maremia

Good for him Primrose 53, I hope none of the Tommy thugs were rude to him.

Or made money noises, that's a favourite of those sorts.

Monkey obvs.

foxie48

Cabowich

I really want to understand why people who are not racist or islamophobic, who don't intend to be violent and genuinely want a united Britain would turn out to march with Tommy Robinson. As yet no one has given me a reason.

I didn't march, I live too far away from London, but as it said on the news, many people who did march were there not to fight, or because they are racist. But because they wanted to express their concern.

They may be told they have to wait three weeks for a doctor's appointment, or their children can't find suitable housing, and many other similar reasons, as these are being taken up by the large numbers of immigrants entering the country.

No British government can manage the needs of the current population it has already. And to continually add so many more people into the mix is making everything so much worse.

So why did they march with someone like TR, he didn't have a manifesto for improving the NHS. If he turfed out all the NHS workers who are here on visas the NHS would collapse. He didn't have a plan for building more houses either.

We wouldnt need more houses if not for increased numbers.

IOMGran

Babs03

Action Palestine don’t have more arrests because of violence. It has been declared an illegal/terrorist group that cannot gather on our streets so the police have to try to arrest everyone, which is such a wasted use of police time when those attending one of these demos are not violent or in any way terrorists.

I have my Plasticene Action T shirt ready for when I get to the UK on Wednesday. Such an overreach of terrorism laws. I would not have expected this kind of thing from a Labour Gov. I will vote Lib Dem next time.

Palestine Action should not have damaged MOD property. I don’t see what the government could have done, especially with all the two tier Keir accusations. I also don’t agree with the oil protesters defacing works of art. Even though I agree with both causes I would not take part in anything that causes criminal damage or support a group that does so.