This must be a sad day for England

^Those who live in the rolling green hills of England, like I do, or in a retirement area of confortable houses and bungalows with like minded neighbours, are protected, in a bubble, from these mass societal changes occurring in many towns and cities.
But those who don’t, are feeling it^

Robin202 please don’t speak for me, or my community.

I live in one of the most deprived towns in the UK, not in a ‘comfortable bubble’ or ‘rolling green hills’. I’ve lived here for over 40 years so know what I’m talking about.

My town recently received the dubious accolade of having the greatest numbers of high street shop closures in the UK. What was once a vibrant, lively town centre now looks like something from a dystopian disaster film.

We have many immigrants in the town.

When you say people living in such towns are “feeling it”, I agree.

But what we are feeling is anger at 14+ years of managed decline, not anger at people who have come to live here from elsewhere. The decline of our high street has absolutely nothing to do with immigrants.

Folk in my town know this; we are very well aware of who is to blame!

Robin 202, what do you mean by Christian values ?I don't see much love for your neighbour in your post .

Allira

MaizieD

I agree, Dd.

I thought the poster was reproducing a list that Wwmk2 had originally posted, but I couldn’t be bothered to check back over this depressing thread.

Otherwise, just a mistaken identity. I don’t think it’s worth reporting. It would be good if SoD came back to apologise, though.

It would be good if SoD came back to apologise, though.
Do you think that's likely? 🤔

Likewise the other misidentification and other misunderstandings, this is getting silly now.

Do I think it's likely? No, I don't.

Not because I have any animosity towards SoD, but because their posting style seems to be make a post, but don't join in any discussion or feedback about it. Which is how some posters work and I'm happy to accept that.

I really don't think it's worth making a fuss about or using it to create further division.

My thoughts precisely.

Robin202

Yes, there will always be extremists in any mass gathering, out to cause trouble for the sake of it and paid agitators too.

No, really? Surely that never happens at any other protest rallies?

Do you think the violence wouldn’t have happened if some unpolitically motivated group had asked people to rally and show pride in being British or English?
Or is showing pride in being English, Scottish, Welsh or even just British now considered dangerous?

But there are also concerned families, retirees, from all walks of life, who choose to unite as British people who want to conserve what was once, a pride in Britain.

Unfortunately for them, by attending, they will immediately be accused of supporting TR or whichever name he goes by and what he stands for, when that may not have been their intention at all.

And by travelling to the venue, they also run the risk of being told they are being environmentally damaging, etc. etc.

LizzieDrip The internet must be in part a factor in the reduction of shops in the high street. It’s not entirely bad / online grocery shopping must have contributed to less car journeys. EBay has promoted recycling with the sales of second hand goods. I can now buy clothes for myself and my grandchildren when asked, for a fraction of the full retail price. Amazon too has its benefits. It will be cheaper, I imagine to hold stock in warehouses rather than expensive shopping malls. Our local shopping mall is buzzing but offers various activities other than shopping.

I expect many would have preferred Nigel to arrange a march but as he didn’t they joined the only one available! Must be any port in a storm

Robin202

The words ‘Far Right’ are bandied about far too freely. To feel patriotic about our country of birth and to want to retain our Christian values is not a crime or worthy of such a label.

Did you know many of the major supermarkets use Halal slaughter?
Do you think that’s acceptable?
Sharia courts too?
Threats to white women and children from those with third world customs?
Grooming gangs? All acceptable?

There are ghettos in the UK where you would not feel safe to walk.
Been to Whitechapel in London of late? Step off the tube and you think you’ve arrived in Bangladesh.
Should we feel like outsiders in certain areas of our own country?

Those who live in the rolling green hills of England, like I do, or in a retirement area of confortable houses and bungalows with like minded neighbours, are protected, in a bubble, from these mass societal changes occurring in many towns and cities.
But those who don’t, are feeling it.

Yes, there will always be extremists in any mass gathering, out to cause trouble for the sake of it and paid agitators too.
But there are also concerned families, retirees, from all walks of life, who choose to unite as British people who want to conserve what was once, a pride in Britain.

Well said Robin202
👏👏👏👏👏

Ronib I agree that internet shopping will have contributed.

However, I’ve been communicating with local councillors about the town centre decline for some time, and have been told that cuts in government funding to the council, across many years, has led to the disastrous lack of investment in the town.

My main point really is that I resent the trope, often repeated on GN, that those of us who are supportive of the plight of immigrants must obviously all live in elite, middle class, protected bubbles.

We don’t!

It is possible to live in a deprived area and be supportive of immigrants!

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I find it sad and quite scary that people are buying into Yaxley Lennon’s pretense that he and his followers are simply patriots who ‘want their country back’ and want to protect ‘our women and children’. Have a look at this lot-
Richard Price, former EDL leader: four counts of making indecent images of children.
• Jack Renshaw - EDL, BNP, National Action: four counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.
• Wayne Kirby - Tommy Robinson associate: served six years after being convicted for rape in 2007.
• Bradley Daniel Alford, EDL: 6 yrs, indecent photos, inciting a child to engage in sexual intercourse.
• Kristopher Allan, SDL: convicted for messages, images, and sexual contact involving a 13 year old.
• Luke Atkinson, UKIP & Yorkshire EDL: jailed 4 yrs, 8 mths, grooming young teenagers.
• Alan Boulter, EDL and all round racist: 20 mths, attempted grooming.
• John Broomfield, EDL and British Freedom: 'making indecent images of children' and inept mosque attack.
• Dean Chambers, EDL & BNP: 5 yrs, sexual assault.
• Michael Coates AKA Micky Blue Eyes, NW Infidels: charged with 2 attempted rapes and other sex offences.
• Bruce Cordwell, EDL: 3 yrs, 7 mths, grooming.
• Michael Cowen, neo-Nazi: 3 yrs, child pornography.
• Alan Thomas Ellis, Deeside EDL: convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a 14 year old girl.
lexlo ul a senuathalure lu a 14 year ulu yill.
• Robert Ewing, EDL, BNP, NF: grooming & murder of 15 yr old.
• Ryan Fleming, National Action: 3 yrs, sexual activity with a child, his 2nd sexual offence.
• Darren Francis, BNP, sexual relationship with 13 year old.
• Christopher Gamlin, Britain First: 21 mths, grooming & trying to incite a child into sexual activity.
• Pete Gillett, EDL speaker: 18 years, multiple offences of rape and indecent assault on children.
• Nigel Hesmondalgh, BNP: jailed for possessing a series of degrading photos and videos of children.
• Dale Hewitt, EDL: 10 years for multiple sex offences against teenage girls.
• lan Hindle, BNP, jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls.
• Mark Hogg, EDL: 9 months for sexual assault on a 14 year old.
• Elliot Jones, EDL and part of the self-styled 'pedophile squad' jailed for, err, pedophilia.
• Mervyn Jones, North Wales Alliance/Combined Ex-Forces: guilty of rape, attempted rape, indecent assault.
• Shaun Jones, Liverpool Scouse Nationalists: jailed for grooming and raping a 12 year old ill girl
• Gavin Leist, BNP, child porn.
• Leigh MacMillan, EDL: convicted of three counts of indecent assault, two of the indecency with a child and one of attempted rape. Jailed for a total of 17 years.
• Michael McQueenie, EDL Blackburn: pleaded guilty of two counts of rape of a 14-year-old girl and sexual assault.
• Brett Moses EDL Hull: 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming.
• Paul O'Brien, Blood & Honour fascist: 9 yrs, rape, sexual assault.
• Stephen Payne SDL: convicted of grooming a 13 year old.
• Michael Roles, Britain First: 18 yrs child rape.
• Roderick Rowley, BNP: child porn and sexually abusing
10-year-old girl.
• Mark Ryley, Britain First, Infidels of Britain & Nick Griffin supporter: 30 years for multiple sexual offences against young girls.
• Mark 'Archie' Sleman, EDL: kidnap & attempted rape of 10 yr old.
• James Swindlehurst, White Man March: jailed for 20 years for 13 counts of child rape.

And these are the people others are lauding for upholding ‘Christian values’?

Wasn’t Yaxley Lennon accused (convicted of?) stalking a woman?

I wasn’t at the Unite the Kingdom event and not in any way supporting the actions of TR et al.
I have been told that people who travel long distances to take part in rallies or other events are environmentally damaging.
We have read about the violence and arrests.

In response to an earlier post by Robin202 about violence in any gathering, it’s worth noting this information from the MET about a recent event.
^As of 19:45hrs, there had been 140 total arrests as part of the policing operation.
105 arrests took place at **** itself, while 35 took place on the approaches to **** as a result of proactive policing interventions.^
Of those 35 arrests on the approaches, 13 followed positive identifications using live facial recognition.
A breakdown of the total offences is below:
Assault on police – 15

Possession of an offensive weapon – 21

Possession of cannabis – 25

Possession of class A drugs – 6

Possession of other drugs – 2

Possession with intent to supply drugs – 19
Robbery – 2

Public order – 4

Sexual offences – 4

Other – 42

This wasn’t at the UTK event, but at a ^*family day out.*

There is no excuse for the violence at either event, but are we being told that the family event violence was far right as well?

Notting Hill carnival by any chance?

I doubt that Oreo, as circa 2m attend Notting Hill Carnival. I wondered if it was Party in the Park, the Radio 2 event?

Oreo

Notting Hill carnival by any chance?

Yes. Those are the MET figures. The first set were higher, but revised lower on the second day report.

That's quite a roll call, Daddima !

Daddima, please keep that list very handy, so that you can re-post it everytime this topic pops up.

Really makes you stop and think doesn’t it Daddima.

Well, one hopes it does!

LizzieDrip

Really makes you stop and think doesn’t it Daddima.

Well, one hopes it does!

Sadly, it won’t make a lot of people stop and think, and the myth that the people ‘protesting’ really are patriotic citizens who want to ‘protect our women and children’ will persist.

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Three times more than that Daddima. 105 and counting. Runs to five pages so I’ll have to attach over two posts.

The notion that these men are on a crusade to protect women and children is utter fiction.

Note number 91 Anthony Styles (second post). He was one of the protesters outside the Bell Hotel in Epping. He’s a convicted paedophile.

www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/anti-migrant-protester-convicted-paedophile-dxl03wnjg

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Second post ... attaching items 4 and 5 of 5.

LizzieDrip

Really makes you stop and think doesn’t it Daddima.

Well, one hopes it does!

Won't make certain types think for a minute. Doesn't fit with what they want to believe so they won't believe it.

PaynesGrey

Three times more than that Daddima. 105 and counting. Runs to five pages so I’ll have to attach over two posts.

The notion that these men are on a crusade to protect women and children is utter fiction.

Note number 91 Anthony Styles (second post). He was one of the protesters outside the Bell Hotel in Epping. He’s a convicted paedophile.

www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/anti-migrant-protester-convicted-paedophile-dxl03wnjg

British Christian values indeed.

I don't know about anyone else but when I hear the "protecting our women". I just want to shout "don't include me in that, I'm not one of your women.,"

These figures are utterly depressing and frightening PaynesGrey and Daddima.