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This must be a sad day for England

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BlueBelle Sat 13-Sept-25 16:01:07

More than 100,000 people in central London have joined a march organised by far-right activist Tommy Robinson

I ll say no more it’s devastating for this country

J52 Sat 13-Sept-25 19:18:08

Extra riot police could be seen rushing through the crowd to back up the horses and officers holding lines between the two groups.
Projectiles were thrown at officers from Unite the Kingdom protesters who had gathered near Trafalgar Square.
"When officers moved in to stop them they faced unacceptable violence," the Met said in a statement.
"They were assaulted with kicks and punches. Bottles, flares and other projectiles were thrown."
At one point, a glass bottle appeared to smash against a horse, causing the animal and rider to stagger backwards.
Scuffles broke out as police used batons to try and push back Robinson supporters gathered on the top of Whitehall and Trafalgar Square. BBCNews

Did someone say it was a “ joyous reminder of what it is to be British’ and ‘ a wonderful day for the United Kingdom’ ?

Not in my opinion.

Sago Sat 13-Sept-25 19:19:40

J52

Extra police were drafted in from other counties, including my own. Meanwhile, locals dealing 999 wait for a response.
This is a disgusting waste of police time and taxpayers money.
In my opinion, I’m to polite to add more.

Have seen how many Police do you think attend football matches across the country and the “hate marches” across London?

winterwhite Sat 13-Sept-25 19:21:21

Nowhere here is it said what the protest/march is actually About.

Oreo Sat 13-Sept-25 19:22:11

Exactly Sago and the pro Palestinian marches started just two days after the terrible murders in Israel by hamas.🤬

sundowngirl Sat 13-Sept-25 19:25:13

growstuff

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Erm, excuse me but when have I ever said I’m a fan of Tommy Robinson? Never is the correct answer.

Today was all about ‘Uniting the Country’. People of all colours (and flags) attended. This gives me hope for the future. We like being British. All of us here. We have so many freedoms denied to citizens of other countries. We SHOULD be grateful and proud of who we are.

Yeah! Sure! "Uniting the country". There's one born every day!

I've given up.

Friedgreentomatoes2 Very well said 👏👏👏👏👏👏

Ignore the dreadfully rude posters on here. They are obviously not proud of our country and make nasty comments and throw out the racist accusations to anyone who tries to show that they are

Oreo Sat 13-Sept-25 19:27:34

We should all not be afraid to say what we think and ignore the silly catty remarks.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sat 13-Sept-25 19:29:34

Babs03

MayBee70

I’m a bit confused that the very people that are worried about Sharia courts in this country seem to be in favour of us being taken out of the ECHR which protects us confused..

Bigots rarely think through their arguments because they are not even arguments, just displays of mindless racism.

Bigots?
Racism?

Not on here thankfully.

I think it’s more to do with assessing the ECHR so that it reflects modern day requirements. I’d heard Article 8 could just be amended.

winterwhite Sat 13-Sept-25 19:32:54

FGT your first post at the beginning of this thread talked about people ‘peacefully protesting’. Now you say it’s all about ‘Uniting the Country’. Not clear how it can be both.

Teazel2 Sat 13-Sept-25 19:35:38

Oreo

StripeyGran

Oreo

Babs03

As usual the crowd is turning nasty.
If this is what people are proud of they need to have a good few words with themselves.

Actually the police have had to put up with suchlike behaviour from pro Palestine protesters too, even just last week, they were spat on and shoved and jeered at with the most awful insults.
Just to be clear.

Bingo! Knew it wouldn't be long.

Pathetic.

Just to be very very clear

I do wonder what your problem is StripeyGran as you are so aggressive.
I have stated facts, you may not like them.🤔

Stripeygran does come across as both very aggressive and angry in all their posts.

M0nica Sat 13-Sept-25 19:36:10

growstuff

FriedGreenTomatoes2

65 Sharia courts in England for a start. Reported in the Daily Mail yesterday. I mentioned them months ago and was shot down on here. We should ALL be bound by only one law in the UK. A Muslim professor was saying the same thing on television a few days ago. He was horrified by their existence HERE. Totally unnecessary he said even for civil disputes amongst neighbours and cousins.

For goodness sake FGT, you've been shot down enough on GN for fake news - proven fake news. Haven't you learnt anything?

Have you any idea what a Sharia court is and what it can do? Nope, thought not.

Most religions in this country have their own courts for reaching decisions on a wide variety of issues, why should Muslims be excluded from this? These courts cannot and do not override the law of this country and those taking part must agree.

For example, if a catholic wants to have their marriage in a catholic church annulled so that they can mary again and be accepted as a practicing catholic, then they need to seek an annulment through a church tribunal who examines the evidence for claiming the marriage was not a valid marriage at the time of the wedding due to a missing essential element.

The Church of England has consistory courts and other courts ruling on religious law. come to that, most professional associations rule on whether someone can claim to professional status. You cannt practice as a solicitor, if the Law Society bar you, doctors rights to practice can be withdrawn, so can nurses. This happens in so many circumstances.

What is the difference between all these and Muslims having Sharia courts. They can only act where all those involved agree and anyone taaking part can afterwards take them to British courts if their ruling disadvantages them unjustly.

Babs03 Sat 13-Sept-25 19:37:59

So Elon Musk stuck his tech billionaire oar in, speaking via a video link to the crowds saying amongst other things equally preposterous -
‘“violence is coming” and that “you either fight back or you die”.
Nice.
And most of those in the crowd don’t like foreign interference, yet will probably have been lapping up Musk’s words.
Lamentable.

M0nica Sat 13-Sept-25 19:38:51

Maremia

Is 'opprobrium' a posh word for convictions? I believe that Stephen Yaxley Lennon has convictions for financial and immigration frauds, cocaine possession with intent to supply, and has served 5 prison terms.

Opprobrium means harsh criticism or censure.

Teazel2 Sat 13-Sept-25 19:41:18

sundowngirl

growstuff

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Erm, excuse me but when have I ever said I’m a fan of Tommy Robinson? Never is the correct answer.

Today was all about ‘Uniting the Country’. People of all colours (and flags) attended. This gives me hope for the future. We like being British. All of us here. We have so many freedoms denied to citizens of other countries. We SHOULD be grateful and proud of who we are.

Yeah! Sure! "Uniting the country". There's one born every day!

I've given up.

Friedgreentomatoes2 Very well said 👏👏👏👏👏👏

Ignore the dreadfully rude posters on here. They are obviously not proud of our country and make nasty comments and throw out the racist accusations to anyone who tries to show that they are

👏👏👏👏👏👏

Aveline Sat 13-Sept-25 19:48:36

I didn't Photoshop that pic I posted. I just remembered seeing it in the news. If you Google you'll find lots of others.
It's the sort of thing that makes me uneasy. As I've said before people of all sorts of religions don't make these large public statements. I wouldn't say I was Islamophobia just Islam*aware*.

M0nica Sat 13-Sept-25 19:53:37

The question no one is asking is why Tommy Robinson is attracting so much support, or indeed why Nigel Farage and Reform get so much support.

Its easy peasy jackaneasy to get all upset and wild-eyed because all these events are happenng, anyone can do thaat.

The question people should beasking and thinking about, and perhaps accepting some uncomfortable truths is why people like Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage attract so much support.

The answer is quite straightforward. Over the last few decades, politics and government has slipped into the handsof an urban intellectual elite, from a variety of backgrounds, who think themselves superior to all of us, who believe they know what we ought to want better than we do and are determined to give us what they want to give us, to dismiss the fears and concerns of what they would conisider the lumpen prolatariat.

This knd of thing goes on for so long then the despised common people take over, and since those in charge refuse to listen they look to leaders who are articulate how they feel, what they want in life and what sort of society they want to live in.

This society may well contain elelments that we do not like and make us put our hands to our face in horror. But why should we have everything our way and ignore those who disagree with us because they are less well educated and not as articulate.

This how most revolutions start. It is how the French Revolution started, and the unsuccessful risings in Hungary and Czechoslovakia in 1956 and 1968 and the successful overthrow of the USSR in 1991.

It is now happening in Western Europe and is advanced in Eastern Europe, now it is the British turn. It is up to the main stream parties to listen to those deserting them for the extreme right, listen to them and act on their deep concerns and not just dismiss them as Gordeon Brown did when he called a Labour supporter who had challenged him over the economy and immigration a "bigoted woman".

J52 Sat 13-Sept-25 19:58:41

Sago

J52

Extra police were drafted in from other counties, including my own. Meanwhile, locals dealing 999 wait for a response.
This is a disgusting waste of police time and taxpayers money.
In my opinion, I’m to polite to add more.

Have seen how many Police do you think attend football matches across the country and the “hate marches” across London?

Yes, all a waste of police times, especially as the forces have been reducing reduced over the last decade.
And yes today’s march is another.

Namsnanny Sat 13-Sept-25 20:06:14

Kandinsky

It’s like Groundhog Day on here recently.
Everyday, the same people saying the same things.

Poster A) ‘Yay! Fly the flags’

‘Poster B). Racist!’

That’s basically all you get.

Oh come on, be fair people want to debate. wink

Nothing pursuades me that I am wrong, and helps my dull dim brain realise how warped my perspective is, than watching people been labelled racist or prejudiced.

This is a mis quote allocated to Churchill

It takes courage to stand up and speak
It also takes courage to sit down and listen

Definition of bigot: A person who is unreasonably attached to a
idea or belief, who is antagonistic towards a member of the offending group. Could apply to quite a few.

Aveline Sat 13-Sept-25 20:14:42

M0nica you are exactly right!

REKA Sat 13-Sept-25 20:17:37

Aveline

I didn't Photoshop that pic I posted. I just remembered seeing it in the news. If you Google you'll find lots of others.
It's the sort of thing that makes me uneasy. As I've said before people of all sorts of religions don't make these large public statements. I wouldn't say I was Islamophobia just Islam*aware*.

That picture is AI. And not very good either

Namsnanny Sat 13-Sept-25 20:21:39

M0nica

The question no one is asking is why Tommy Robinson is attracting so much support, or indeed why Nigel Farage and Reform get so much support.

Its easy peasy jackaneasy to get all upset and wild-eyed because all these events are happenng, anyone can do thaat.

The question people should beasking and thinking about, and perhaps accepting some uncomfortable truths is why people like Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage attract so much support.

The answer is quite straightforward. Over the last few decades, politics and government has slipped into the handsof an urban intellectual elite, from a variety of backgrounds, who think themselves superior to all of us, who believe they know what we ought to want better than we do and are determined to give us what they want to give us, to dismiss the fears and concerns of what they would conisider the lumpen prolatariat.

This knd of thing goes on for so long then the despised common people take over, and since those in charge refuse to listen they look to leaders who are articulate how they feel, what they want in life and what sort of society they want to live in.

This society may well contain elelments that we do not like and make us put our hands to our face in horror. But why should we have everything our way and ignore those who disagree with us because they are less well educated and not as articulate.

This how most revolutions start. It is how the French Revolution started, and the unsuccessful risings in Hungary and Czechoslovakia in 1956 and 1968 and the successful overthrow of the USSR in 1991.

It is now happening in Western Europe and is advanced in Eastern Europe, now it is the British turn. It is up to the main stream parties to listen to those deserting them for the extreme right, listen to them and act on their deep concerns and not just dismiss them as Gordeon Brown did when he called a Labour supporter who had challenged him over the economy and immigration a "bigoted woman".

Totally agree with nearly all of your post M0nica.

If I can add my perspective to your 6th paragraph, I would not necessarily have used the words less well educated. Some of the people on the Unite the country rally, would have what is now called lived experience. Living directly under the pressures the cons and now lab gov have foisted on the public. I think they have a better 'education' than any text book/phd/warped news article could ever portray.

Whilst those who came up with these ideas live in any and every city the choose.

The day I saw GB behave in such a disgusting manner, was my political awakening.

Thank you for giving some thought to this subject, and bothering to post it.

M0nica Sat 13-Sept-25 20:23:08

Aveline

M0nica you are exactly right!

But even those who read my post will ignore it, because they have made upmtheir mines and as Kadinsky so rightly says

Everyday, the same people saying the same things.

Poster A) ‘Yay! Fly the flags’

‘Poster B). Racist!’

That’s basically all you get.

serious discussion on why it is happening and what can be done to respond to the issues that lead to Robinson's support, are so far less exciting, but so much more important.

MaizieD Sat 13-Sept-25 20:24:28

winterwhite

Nowhere here is it said what the protest/march is actually About.

People are claiming that it was about Uniting the UK. Judging from posts on here I don't think it's achieved its objective.

Primrose53 Sat 13-Sept-25 20:25:58

Only 9 arrests today.

Notting Hill Carnival - 400 arrests

Palestine Action - 900 arrests

Aveline Sat 13-Sept-25 20:32:34

Says it all.

Aveline Sat 13-Sept-25 20:33:43

BTW that photo was from the Telegraph. There are similar pics from other places too.