Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

It’s war on hamas and their followers, brought about by themselves.

@Oreo we understand what a conflict is, there have been countless conflicts the world over, but none that required the complete destruction of all buildings - a scorched earth policy - and such high civilian deaths, nor so many international laws broken. Of course many aggressors in a war have committed war crimes but not gone so far as Israel, they have shocked and appalled many for such indiscriminate killing and weaponising of starvation and destroying hospitals, cutting off electric and clean water. This is not how other conflicts have panned out, especially one fought by a first world democracy which is presently fighting according to the rules of a rogue state rather than according to the Geneva convection.

Have you really forgotten about the death chambers in Germany for the Jews? Babs03 What do you mean by this is not how other conflicts have panned out? The Biafran Genocide?

It may well be a case of simple semantics but if genocide is ongoing then how is it exactly that millions of people are still alive to be rehoused? For example

If that was true logic, ronib, that Gaza is not a Genocide, because there are survivors, then the Holocaust was not a Genocide either, as millions of Jews survived.

ronib you are aware that you are comparing the Israeli government to aggressors like Germany in the Second World War?
Which is interesting.
As for the headcount of those dead, a genocide is also about the obvious intent of the aggressor, which is to eradicate a people using certain well recognised means, most of which the Israeli government have met.
And I was trying not to include dictators/ruthless regimes when talking about conflicts around the world but if you want to throw Netanyahu in the mix I imagine that you are right, he is in good company.

Are you saying Oreo that those children brought the war on themselves?

Very few Jews remaining in Germany in 1950. The numbers are available on the internet.

You don't have to kill all the people for genocide to take place as some seem to believe.

I prefer not to kill any of the people.

But not all were killed, so by your very own logic, ronib, with which I do not agree, the Holocaust was not a Genocide.

Then genocide 7th October 2023

Everything that has happened since 7 October 2023 has been in retaliation for just one single terrible day. when 1000 Israelis were killed. As far as I know there have been little or no further attacks by hamas since that day but from that day up to now and counting, 70,000 Gazans are dead many of these children, and many more left with life changing injuries and many untreated amputations. As an occupying state which Israel is, has a legal responsibility for feeding and protecting the civilian population which they don’t.

While the attention of the world is on Gaza the West Bank is being attacked daily by Zionist settlers who violently force people from their land and kill many others at will, while Israeli soldiers look on then drag victims of assault off to prison. This is barely reported.
I suggest anyone who wants to learn more to watch No other Land. By Basel Ardra. It won an American Oscar for best film this year, but has not been shown anywhere in America. Now that is bizarre but says a lot about the politics. At least we can see it here, it’s a hard watch but worth it.
My view has always been that Israel wants all the land for themselves, and finally about the tunnels we keep hearing about, these were built by Israelis when they occupied Gaza 20 years ago. Not Hamas.

Is really quite amazing what lengths some will go to in order to deny that a genocide is taking place in Gaza or to argue that Netanyahu isn’t doing anything wrong.
Is a bit like watching someone knit water.

It’s the most remarkable experience to hear that the Jewish Holocaust didn’t happen. Quite truly amazing.

I didn't know that about the tunnels. In that case, what is all the mystery? If the Israelis built them, they know where they are and logically, they know where the Hostages are.
Yes Annie

What a feeble attempt to twist my words ronib. I am using YOUR logic, not to say the Holocaust did not happen, but using your logic, it was not a Genocide.

If you are saying that the Holocaust was a genocide, which it was, then the mass murders in Gaza are also a Genocide.

Not all Jews were killed
Not all Palestinians have been killed.
Both genocide.

ABSOLUTELY

ronib

Very few Jews remaining in Germany in 1950. The numbers are available on the internet.

But there were ways & means of getting them out, & many escaped, which isn't true in Gaza which was, even before Oct 7th, a very large-scale prison compound,

Amnesty International's latest appeal was for funds, to gather and collate evidence, to use when this Genocide comes to the International Courts.

www.amnesty.org.uk/giving/donate/help-protect-civilians-gaza-1#:~:text=The%20truth%20of%20what%20is,Please%20make%20a%20donation%20today.

This page allows you to give money NOW to Amnesty for Gaza

There are a network of underground tunnels in Gaza.
These tunnels are sited under buildings.
Hamas hide in the tunnels under schools, hospital and civilian housing.
The tunnels have access and egress points.
Hamas hide the hostages inside the tunnels.
Schools, hospitals and civilians housing have been turned into rubble.
Where are the egress routes for the hostages now?

Indeed Maremia. They were built in the 1980s/ 90s, Israel woukd have known exactly where they were because the Israelis built them. No need to bomb the hospitals.

Thanks for the information about the tunnels silverlining. Throws a new light on this.

Anyone who thinks this isn't genocide should read the legal definition.