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Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 10:16:17

4 of the 5 conditions are fulfilled.

UN report.

Smileless2012 Sun 21-Sept-25 08:16:33

The UK's decision to recognise the State of Palestine is good news. It is not rewarding Hamas, it is recognising the right of the Palestinian people to exist.

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 08:29:22

Will there be sanctions

foxie48 Sun 21-Sept-25 08:39:26

There was an interesting piece in Haaretz yesterday that made a strong case for creating one state out of Israel, Gaza and the west Bank, giving Jews and Arabs equal rights and giving it a name which recognised it as a state that was neither Israel nor Palestine. It wouldn't happen of course, too many extremists on both sides. Written by an orthodox American Jew who's a regular visitor and commentator on Israeli life and politics he made the point that Israel, which was supposed to be a place of safety for Jews, is actually the most dangerous place to live, Jews are safer living in the diaspora and the war is making Israeli Jews less safe in the future.

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 08:51:58

1948 5 Arab countries declared war on Israel following murder of two-thirds of Europe’s Jewish population

Oreo Sun 21-Sept-25 08:59:32

Of course that won’t happen foxie48 the people of Israel, not simply ‘extremists’ wouldn’t stand for it and they doubly wouldn’t stand for it after what Palestinians did on 7th Oct 23.
The UK recognising a Palestinian State is just Starmer caving to the left of the Party as he caves to anything that puts pressure on him.The UK could have recognised it last year if they felt strongly about it or five years ago for that matter.It’s only symbolic in any case as it doesn’t meet the criteria for being a State.
Yes Israel can be a dangerous place for Jews to live but it’s theirs and they won’t be part of a diaspora.It’s dangerous because Palestinians and their supporters and various terrorist groups won’t leave them alone.

Babs03 Sun 21-Sept-25 09:06:05

Glad that the government will recognise Palestine. Again will reiterate that this is nothing to do with Hamas and everything to do with what the Israeli government are doing without any pause to consider how other countries on the international stage are now disgusted by their ongoing behaviour, or to consider how many international laws they are breaking.

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 09:06:54

Much being said about Starmer safeguarding seats for Labour MP’s who have high Muslim vote

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:07:35

Didn't think the declaration would actually happen. Thought they might have managed to come to some sort of 'compromise'.
Qatar seems to be the place to ask for help with negotiations, as per that release by the Taliban. But Netanyahu has destroyed that avenue of hope, hasn't he. Do you get the impression he doesn't want to end the Genocide?

foxie48 Sun 21-Sept-25 09:07:47

"Oreo" but Netanyahu says he's destroying Hamas to keep Israelis safe but he's actually doing the opposite.

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:10:10

Talking about 'extremists' in Israel, foxie, I think those violent Settlers on the West Bank were mentioned as one of the factors in declaring for a State of Palestine.

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 09:11:44

Will there be a demand to release the hostages ?

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:12:40

Any historians online today? What was the original 'promise ' made to all, when Israel was being established way back?
How 'legal' and 'binding' was that?

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:13:11

Listen out today Annie, I haven't seen the script.

Babs03 Sun 21-Sept-25 09:15:54

Anniebach

Much being said about Starmer safeguarding seats for Labour MP’s who have high Muslim vote

Nonsense. For some time Starmer - whom I dislike btw - did absolutely nothing with regard to what Israel were doing, in fact going the other way and openly chastising any MPs who did critisize Israel stating in the HoC that they should instead consider what Hamas did on Oct 7th. At that time I remember at least one MP leaving as a result of his stance, and it was said it was because he had a Jewish Wife that he was so pro the actions being taken by Netanyahu.
Even know he will not officially recognise that genocide is taking place.
So if he wanted to secure the votes of Muslims he is taking a very roundabout way of doing it. Also most Muslims living in the UK would probably want Starmer to deal with burning political issues facing the country rather than fanning the flames with regard to small boats which results in overt Islamophobia.

Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 09:23:30

UK Government awaits the ICJ ruling on genocide in Gaza

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:28:21

Yes Babs, those poor folk being hounded out of their own homeland of Gaza, to make way for a western style, money spinning, super plaza, will soon be featuring on the many, many GN boat threads.

Babs03 Sun 21-Sept-25 09:32:46

Also let’s not forget that very many non Muslims want the government to take a firmer stance on what Israel are doing.

Oreo Sun 21-Sept-25 09:33:53

People seem to think that if say, Gaza and the West Bank were united in a State of Palestine that peace would ensue forever with the two States side by side.Hollow laugh.
All it would mean is that Israel would be in even more danger.
A State of Palestine that gradually became wealthier and propped up by malign actors all round the Middle East would launch ever stronger attacks on Israel.They don’t just want a State they want all Jews out or dead and Israel to become Palestinian.That’s what a lot don’t understand.

Maremia Sun 21-Sept-25 09:42:34

So, if all the Palestinians were 'removed', Israel would then be safe from those 'malign actors'?

foxie48 Sun 21-Sept-25 09:43:01

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Anniebach Sun 21-Sept-25 09:53:23

There is genocide

Whitewavemark2 Sun 21-Sept-25 09:57:10

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AGAA4 Sun 21-Sept-25 09:58:15

What is happening is that Israel is getting rid of all Palestinians so that they can take over their land.
Palestinians believe that there always has been Palestine and recognising it as a state just confirms that.
Israel was created on the understanding that they would not cause problems with the Palestinians but they have reneged on that agreement from the start.

ronib Sun 21-Sept-25 10:03:07

Hamas has posted a farewell collage of 48 hostages with RON ARRAD substituted for each individual’s real name.
What sort of people are they?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 21-Sept-25 10:06:21

ronib

Hamas has posted a farewell collage of 48 hostages with RON ARRAD substituted for each individual’s real name.
What sort of people are they?

Who the terrorists.?

Well we all know don’t we?