Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

We know nothing about the incident other than a one sided story.There was probably a group of men going into that zone and the 13 year old part of the group.
Who takes their son into a dangerous zone?

Babs03

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The IDF shot a 13 year old boy standing next to his father. The father asked him why and there was no answer. This is just one example of the brutality of Israel. They kill children.

They shoot anything that moves and don’t even ask questions later.

Are you there in Gaza or the West Bank witnessing this?

The IDF are 'looking into' why a 13 year old was shot. You are making suppositions about what happened Oreo but the reality is a child was killed.

Oreo

silverlining48

Thanks Babs. Hoping it might clarify history for those who still think this all began completely out if the blue, on 7 October 2023.

Oh please! Not that old chestnut yet again.

No, it possibly began about 587BC.

Oreo

We know nothing about the incident other than a one sided story.There was probably a group of men going into that zone and the 13 year old part of the group.
Who takes their son into a dangerous zone?

As you yourself wrote "we know nothing about the incident". Therefore, it follows that you don't know if a group of men was going into the zone and if the 13 year old was part of the group.
Therefore, your rhetorical question becomes meaningless because you don't know the background to the shooting.

How many times does it have to be repeated that the hostages were set to be released 6 months ago, in March, but Israel broke the agreement and began the bombing of Gaza again.
The families must realise that their government are so fixed on clearing Gaza @nd the West Bank of the Palestinians and don’t give a damn about getting the hostages back.
As for going to ones own house fir one’s own documents or anything else, there can be no blame on the father but all the blame goes on the IDF for the unnecessary wicked murder of a young boy in cold blood.
These young soldiers are going to have to live with what they are doing now, for the rest of their lives.

Oreo

Babs03

Oreo

Jabberwok nice to see some clear thinking on this issue rather than the woolly stuff routinely thrown up.
When this government loses badly at the next election, a given btw and entirely of their own doing, maybe the incoming government can rescind their recognition of a State which doesn’t exist.
Starmer caves in to everything, in this case the left in the Party, some of his own MP’s and fear of losing the Muslim vote.

There are lots of non Muslims who support Starmer in making this decision and they aren’t all left leaning politically either.

Really?!

Well, there's one here and I don't mind being counted.

It was a sarcastic really?!

What old chestnut Oreo??
Seems there are those on here happy enough to go back to the history of the Second World War and the Holocaust.
And that is because history matters, it puts what is happening today into context.
Nothing ever happens in a vacuum.

growstuff

Oreo

We know nothing about the incident other than a one sided story.There was probably a group of men going into that zone and the 13 year old part of the group.
Who takes their son into a dangerous zone?

As you yourself wrote "we know nothing about the incident". Therefore, it follows that you don't know if a group of men was going into the zone and if the 13 year old was part of the group.
Therefore, your rhetorical question becomes meaningless because you don't know the background to the shooting.

Nobody truly knows bar the man and the IDF.
What we do know from his own tale about it is that at least he and his son were in a heavily restricted zone , very dangerous on a mission to find some papers he wanted.If the papers were so important he could have asked permission to get them, not to go there and take a child with him.
It’s always awful to hear that a child has been killed but he should never have been in that place, the Father must bear some responsibility for it.

Victim blaming Oreo

Oreo

growstuff

Oreo

We know nothing about the incident other than a one sided story.There was probably a group of men going into that zone and the 13 year old part of the group.
Who takes their son into a dangerous zone?

As you yourself wrote "we know nothing about the incident". Therefore, it follows that you don't know if a group of men was going into the zone and if the 13 year old was part of the group.
Therefore, your rhetorical question becomes meaningless because you don't know the background to the shooting.

Nobody truly knows bar the man and the IDF.
What we do know from his own tale about it is that at least he and his son were in a heavily restricted zone , very dangerous on a mission to find some papers he wanted.If the papers were so important he could have asked permission to get them, not to go there and take a child with him.
It’s always awful to hear that a child has been killed but he should never have been in that place, the Father must bear some responsibility for it.

You still have no idea why he was there. It's not up to you to judge the father.

We all know Israel does not allow journalists into the area. We all know why.

Babs03

What old chestnut Oreo??
Seems there are those on here happy enough to go back to the history of the Second World War and the Holocaust.
And that is because history matters, it puts what is happening today into context.
Nothing ever happens in a vacuum.

Not me I can assure you.We are where we are, which was until two years ago hamas were running things in Gaza and all was reasonably well apart from minor skirmishes then they decided to enter Israel under cover of darkness and murder over a thousand people.
I take it you agree so far?
After that Israel entered Gaza and left no stone unturned in finding and killing hamas members. Hamas could end the war right now by giving back the 40 live and dead Israelis and stop the deaths and destruction of their fellow Gazans but they won’t.There has never been a choice for Israel, they had to end the reign of hamas and that’s exactly what they’re doing.

Oh I see, the UK has warned Israel? Wow that should make them sit up and think! Just one thing, how are we going to enforce that? Send Netanyahu to sit on the naughty step? As for the hostages how about, ' Hamas should never have taken them in the first place'. There's a thought?! Nothing that has been decided by our pathetic governments will do anything to make the situation better or a resolution closer. We maybe on the moral high ground, but almost certainly people on the real ground would much rather see proper diplomatic discussions that might actually bear some fruit, than meaningless platitudes, that reward one,side (that's how Hamas see it) and infuriate the other to the point that they have nothing to lose by being far more aggressive and intractable. If recognising this bogus State would actually solve something then there would be a point to it, but it doesn't, it just makes a bad situation very much worse, both now and the foreseeable future.

growstuff
He said himself he was there to retrieve papers from the former family home.It may or may not be true, only he knows, but that’s what he says.
It is up to me if I wish to judge anyone actually. In this case I do blame the Father as the boy could have been left at home.

Hamas agreed to return the hostages in March but Israel decided to carry on bombing Gaza.
It's clear that Netanyahu isn't interested in the hostages. Their families agree with this.
All Netanyahu and his government want is to rid Gaza of all Palestinians.
They have flattened the land so they and the US can build on it.

The hostages have been very much forgotten by some, including Keir Starmer.

Is blatantly obvious the suffering and deaths of some people has no currency, if the shoe were on the other foot and 65,000 Israelis were dead I imagine it would be called a genocide and every single death would matter enormously.

Oreo

The hostages have been very much forgotten by some, including Keir Starmer.

So why are the families in Israel blaming Netanyahu?
Do you suppose you know better than them?

Oreo

The hostages have been very much forgotten by some, including Keir Starmer.

Classic deflection/whataboutery.

No, the truth.

Babs03

Oreo

The hostages have been very much forgotten by some, including Keir Starmer.

So why are the families in Israel blaming Netanyahu?
Do you suppose you know better than them?

Some are some aren’t but in any case you would be angry if the PM of your own country hadn’t been able to get your hostage loved one back wouldn’t you? It’s been extremely hard to get them out but fortunately most have been.
We don’t know how long 20 of the hostages have been dead maybe for a very long time, or even if the other 20 are alive.

The truth is the hostages have been forgotten by their own government who have given them scant regard in their aim for Gaza.

Babs03

Is blatantly obvious the suffering and deaths of some people has no currency, if the shoe were on the other foot and 65,000 Israelis were dead I imagine it would be called a genocide and every single death would matter enormously.

All deaths in war matter Babs03 but sometimes there isn’t a choice.
Think how many lives were lost in all other wars and conflicts, just in the 20th century.