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Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 10:16:17

4 of the 5 conditions are fulfilled.

UN report.

Oreo Sat 27-Sept-25 08:57:06

I wrote on here early this year about the armed family clans taking over from hamas, after reading about it and hearing a radio 4 programme.A lot of the gunfire and injuries came from these clans clashing with each other and with hamas.Then there are criminal gangs as well.All these gangs have been behind the thieving of aid and selling it on .
It’s hamas’s last stand in Gaza City.

Anniebach Sat 27-Sept-25 09:01:35

Yes I remember you sharing it Oreo , thank you

AGAA4 Sat 27-Sept-25 09:18:21

You don't know that a lot of the gunfire and injuries came from the gangs. Most of the deaths and injuries have been from bombs dropped by the IDF Oreo.

AGAA4 Sat 27-Sept-25 09:19:44

If Netanyahu is supplying these gangs with arms them any injuries from them is his doing too.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 27-Sept-25 09:25:39

I feel so very sad for so many liberal Israelis.

The world is turning its back on so much of Israel. Whilst there is very little former sanctions as yet, - they are to come - I read that the Horizon programme research and development, of which Israel was a member is quietly turning away from any contribution by Israel.

Israeli legitimacy is being gradually eroded and companies are turning away from investment and cooperation with Israeli companies.

Many in the sporting world and entertainment are calling for a complete boycott. Including the film industry.

Of course this will simply push the hard right and supporters of Likud into doubling down, and will unfortunately have the effect of strengthening support of the most far right wing government has ever had.

It will be a disaster if Likud retains power in the upcoming election.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 27-Sept-25 09:28:06

What is happening in Gaza City now is nothing new, nor unique. This happens all over the world when chaos and violence is the order of the day.

Whole books and films have been devoted to it.

Oreo Sat 27-Sept-25 09:38:13

AGAA4

You don't know that a lot of the gunfire and injuries came from the gangs. Most of the deaths and injuries have been from bombs dropped by the IDF Oreo.

There have been very many injuries from guns or haven’t you been reading the news?
The report on radio 4 I heard said all these gangs and clans are armed and regularly clash in the streets.

Oreo Sat 27-Sept-25 09:39:51

AGAA4 it may not sit well with your mindset on Gaza but these clans and criminal gangs don’t get together for tea parties.It’s the Wild West in Gaza.

Oreo Sat 27-Sept-25 09:45:30

AGAA4

If Netanyahu is supplying these gangs with arms them any injuries from them is his doing too.

He isn’t supplying them! They have guns anyway like people in many countries and they buy them.There isn’t a lack of money in Gaza for some.

Oreo Sat 27-Sept-25 09:46:10

Whitewavemark2

What is happening in Gaza City now is nothing new, nor unique. This happens all over the world when chaos and violence is the order of the day.

Whole books and films have been devoted to it.

On this point we can actually agree.

AGAA4 Sat 27-Sept-25 10:15:59

So convenient to blame all the problems in Gaza on the gangs. Then you don't have to face the reality of what Israel is doing.
You obviously don't know what has been said by members of the Knesset about cleansing Gaza of all Palestinians. You don't seem to know that members of the Knesset are wanted for war crimes and two at least are convicted of crimes.
To put all the killing, injuries and starvation down to clans is very naive.

Babs03 Sat 27-Sept-25 10:23:04

AGAA4

So convenient to blame all the problems in Gaza on the gangs. Then you don't have to face the reality of what Israel is doing.
You obviously don't know what has been said by members of the Knesset about cleansing Gaza of all Palestinians. You don't seem to know that members of the Knesset are wanted for war crimes and two at least are convicted of crimes.
To put all the killing, injuries and starvation down to clans is very naive.

But predictable.

AGAA4 Sat 27-Sept-25 10:24:26

As Israel is the occupying and controlling force in Gaza it is they who have lost control there and allowed anti Hamas gangs to run riot.

Babs03 Sat 27-Sept-25 10:34:01

In every conflict when there is a vacuum, in this instance caused by the destruction of Hamas, anarchy tends to fill it, it happened in Iraq and Syria, which can destabilise a region for a very long time. Harder to fight than a recognised terrorist group. So Netanyahu has created an even bigger problem, not just for him but the poor innocent civilians in Gaza. And chances of getting the hostages back have just gone to zero.
He definitely isn’t a contender for the Noble Peace Prize.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 27-Sept-25 11:07:14

Which will make any interim governments task extraordinarily difficult.

Oreo Sat 27-Sept-25 11:11:03

Babs03

AGAA4

So convenient to blame all the problems in Gaza on the gangs. Then you don't have to face the reality of what Israel is doing.
You obviously don't know what has been said by members of the Knesset about cleansing Gaza of all Palestinians. You don't seem to know that members of the Knesset are wanted for war crimes and two at least are convicted of crimes.
To put all the killing, injuries and starvation down to clans is very naive.

But predictable.

You could say equally predictable to blame the IDF for all shootings and thieving aid and anything else.
I know full well what Israel are doing, going full tilt after hamas and it’s supporters and hoping to get to the hostages.There’s a small chance that isolating hamas in Gaza City will bring about their release as I bet their numbers are dwindling in spite of the spurious boast of 5,000 fighters.
On the ultra right wing of the Knesset there are some very unpleasant people but they won’t get their way.
It really isn’t me that’s naive.

Oreo Sat 27-Sept-25 11:14:11

AGAA4

As Israel is the occupying and controlling force in Gaza it is they who have lost control there and allowed anti Hamas gangs to run riot.

Sigh!
The IDF have turned a blind eye to the goings on of the clans as it suits them to have them against hamas.Anything that weakens hamas being a good thing.

Babs03 Sat 27-Sept-25 11:24:36

Gangs or clans in Gaza are street fighters with guns or knives, not a first world army with bombs and other state of the art weaponry as well as a huge army.
They can complicate things on the ground but are not capable of the atrocities the IDF are committing.

Babs03 Sat 27-Sept-25 15:33:09

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AGAA4 Sat 27-Sept-25 15:48:42

I don't think anything will stop Netanyahu going for his goal. He wants Palestinians out of Gaza and will carry on with the brutal plan.

Babs03 Sat 27-Sept-25 15:51:57

AGAA4

I don't think anything will stop Netanyahu going for his goal. He wants Palestinians out of Gaza and will carry on with the brutal plan.

I agree.
And Netanyahu’s meeting with Trump on Monday will result with Trump announcing that he believes ‘great things have been achieved’ whilst Bibi smirks at the useful idiot knowing that he can just carry on regardless.

Oreo Sat 27-Sept-25 15:52:13

Babs03

Gangs or clans in Gaza are street fighters with guns or knives, not a first world army with bombs and other state of the art weaponry as well as a huge army.
They can complicate things on the ground but are not capable of the atrocities the IDF are committing.

So?

AGAA4 Sat 27-Sept-25 16:48:29

So Israel have done most of the killing and flattening of buildings in Gaza as the thugs aren't capable. Nor have they caused the famine.

Anniebach Sat 27-Sept-25 17:24:43

Any problems in Gaza caused by Hamas

Wyllow3 Sun 28-Sept-25 09:58:10

Please come to this demonstration on Wednesday October 8th. It's not far from the A1, details on the handout. anyone intending to come are welcome to PM me/ask for more details.

Its at the firm which helps to supply arms to Israel

Be there is you can, I'm just waiting on news for a lift to get there.