Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

Please remember the victims of 7th October 2023 and the Hostages in captivity since 7th October 2023

Its too far for me to go to the F35 demo but am hoping to get to the big central London march to Downing St on 11th October.

Anniebach

Please remember the victims of 7th October 2023 and the Hostages in captivity since 7th October 2023

None of us have forgotten them.
Where is the evidence that we have?

Do you not recall that a while ago I gave the web address and full details of the UK organisation supporting them?

F35 jets are part of the UK's defence system.
Trying to interrupt the supply chain of our own defence system is irresponsible at a time of such tensions in the world.

Anniebach

Please remember the victims of 7th October 2023 and the Hostages in captivity since 7th October 2023

Nobody is forgetting them, I think I speak for everyone on here when I say that their suffering is not being dismissed when moved by the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza. No act of inhumanity should ever be forgotten or weighed against other acts of inhumanity.

Allira

F35 jets are part of the UK's defence system.
Trying to interrupt the supply chain of our own defence system is irresponsible at a time of such tensions in the world.

It’s irresponsible and will achieve nothing for Palestinians.I expect Palestine Action will be there so try not to get arrested!

I think it's only components of the F35 planes being sent to Israel for which they may have already paid.
I'm not sure marches will make any difference to this.

Look here if you doubt:

beyond-conflict.co.uk/mediahub/blog/new-project-for-israeli-hostage-families-2025/

"Beyond Conflict"

Oreo

Allira

F35 jets are part of the UK's defence system.
Trying to interrupt the supply chain of our own defence system is irresponsible at a time of such tensions in the world.

It’s irresponsible and will achieve nothing for Palestinians.I expect Palestine Action will be there so try not to get arrested!

Well Oreo my Quaker friend D among others was arrested in London. She is a Samaritan, at 72 on her bike everywhere - Climate Change activist too.

You still say she is "irresponsible? They interrupted nothing, they just carried Palestine Action posters.

Why oh why - I asked other thread - is it the negative outlook?

Allira it would be irresponsible if whole systems to everyone was targeted, but it is not. It's the parts sent to Israel or used in planes sold to Israel as part of the overall deal. If it means reneging on a deal with them, so be it.

It was part of one of the T's and C's Starmer set as regards giving Palestine Statehood.

As such I take your point, but I wont have the effect you are rightly concerned about.

It won't have the effect not "I" won't have the effect.

Pulling out of the defence programme would put our country at risk. It could have wider effects on NATO. Every country has to put the welfare of its own citizens first.

I know the UK government is looking into this but not sure if it would compromise our own safety.
I believe Israel can get all the arms it needs even if the UK stop supply.

I dont understand the problem here.

All the government has to do is re-issue the licence to Forged Solutions of Sheffield to exclude sending parts to Israel (or other nations in a similar position

Its right and proper surely to protect our own defence by issuing the licences but excluding destinations we consider hostile?

The UK components are sent to manufacturers in other countries not directly to Israel so not easy to stop in a wider programme.

Quote Wyllow3 Sun 28-Sept-25 14:34:26

Well Oreo my Quaker friend D among others was arrested in London. She is a Samaritan, at 72 on her bike everywhere - Climate Change activist too.

You still say she is "irresponsible? They interrupted nothing, they just carried Palestine Action posters.

Demonstrating because one doesn’t agree with a law , breaking the law, wasting police time are not responsible actions

Wyllow3

Please come to this demonstration on Wednesday October 8th. It's not far from the A1, details on the handout. anyone intending to come are welcome to PM me/ask for more details.

Its at the firm which helps to supply arms to Israel

Be there is you can, I'm just waiting on news for a lift to get there.

Thanks for that info Wyllow, sadly we can’t make it to things like this anymore due to DH needing care, but we have passed the details on to our family who am sure will want to be there.

Thank you Babs03. Good idea.
Its a distance I can come if someone takes me

International community day they are on the brink of a peace deal for Gaza. 🙏

Say*

AGAA4

International community day they are on the brink of a peace deal for Gaza. 🙏

Here’s hoping 🤞

Yes, feeling hopeful here too. 🕊️

Though I have misgivings about it feeling rather ‘colonial’.

Netanyahu meeting Trump today. Just hope he doesn't change Trump's mind about the plan for peace.

Netanyahu has had to.apologise to Qatar for the bombing.
Trump is confident there will be a peace deal.

Well, the details of the Trump Peace plan are out. Live news feed on the BBC to keep up with events

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0xvnxqj2xt

First, the current situation summary see 07.22 on the timeline

"Hamas was under a lot of pressure to accept at least some points of President Trump’s deal for Gaza. With its “yes, but” response, this is exactly what they have done.

They have agreed to release all the remaining Israeli hostages, both living and dead, and that Gaza will be governed by technocrats.
But the group’s statement doesn’t mention its disarmament, which has been a major Israeli demand, or the exile of its members.
The response came after the start of the Jewish weekend, so reaction in Israel has, so far, been limited.

The office of the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said the country was preparing for the immediate release of all the hostages. And reports suggest the army has been ordered to reduce offensive operations.

In Gaza, many are expressing hope that these dramatic developments could finally pave the way for the war to end

The actual peace plan : see 7.02 on the timeline:

"On Monday, the White House published a map, external showing the various lines of Israeli troop withdrawal, should Donald Trump’s peace plan go ahead.

Although the map appears to be somewhat approximate - for example, Gaza's southern border with Egypt is not actually as straight as pictured - it gives us an idea of what this peace plan would mean for the Palestinian territory.
If the peace plan followed the boundaries shown on the White House map, the military’s initial withdrawal would leave Gaza about 55% occupied.

The second withdrawal would leave it about 40% occupied.
And the final phase of the withdrawal, which would create a “security buffer zone“, would leave about 15% of Gaza occupied by the Israeli military."

BUT
Israel is still bombing Gaza.
People are still suffering as before, food, water, pushed around from pillar to post.

My personal opinion is that this is not an ideal settlement but if it stops the war for now and humanitarian aid can reach Gaza and the hospitals can work without fear of being bombed, its a stop in the right direction