Trump to run Gaza with … Blair.

Anniebach

Quote foxie48 Wed 01-Oct-25 15:34:35
Anniebach I think Sinn Fein represented the views of the IRA, rather like Hamas has a political and a terrorist wing, not that the IRA actually thought of themselves a "terrorists" more "freedom fighters". Rather like Hamas in fact. FWIW, I am not indicating support for either the IRA or Hamas before I get jumped on, just stating what I believe to be their position.

Both wanted freedom for Northern Ireland, Hamas are not separate movements just one , the IRA bombed but didn’t rape , burn homes, sexually assault little ones or burn victims to death

How can a peace plan be developed with only one side?

Quite but it seems Hamas are asking for a definite withdrawal of IDF which Netanyahu doesn't want.
They are working on the plan and should know soon if they will accept if certain conditions are met.

Anniebach

Quote foxie48 Wed 01-Oct-25 15:34:35
Anniebach I think Sinn Fein represented the views of the IRA, rather like Hamas has a political and a terrorist wing, not that the IRA actually thought of themselves a "terrorists" more "freedom fighters". Rather like Hamas in fact. FWIW, I am not indicating support for either the IRA or Hamas before I get jumped on, just stating what I believe to be their position.

Both wanted freedom for Northern Ireland, Hamas are not separate movements just one , the IRA bombed but didn’t rape , burn homes, sexually assault little ones or burn victims to death

The IRA was closely linked to Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams denied being part of the IRA but there is a huge amount of evidence that does not support that denial and supports he was active in the IRA since the 70's.
The IRA did not want to kill all English people but they were very willing to bomb English pubs full of English young people who had nothing to do with NI. They terrorised both Catholics and protestants in NI, shot women and killed children. I don't think comparisons between one terrorist act and another is a particularly good argument, all terrorist acts should be condemned.
If you do your homework you will know that Hamas was elected to power under the name "Change and Reform" and was supported by Netanyahu as a counterweight to Fatah.

What can they do, pull some Palestinians in from the street to include them in talks?!
And if they did you can bet your boots they would shout ‘Accept’!
Hamas are the only remnants of government there and since they have the hostages it’s them that Israel have to deal with.
The leaders of hamas know it’s over but the younger crazies on the ground, or rather in the tunnels may want to be martyred as they see it.

But how can you possibly have a peace agreement without the two sides?

Hamas resides in Qatar - they could have been approached.

This can’t possibly succeed

It will be the Hamas leaders in Qatar who are considering this plan and it is they who should have been consulted when drawing it up.

"Hamas are the only remnants of government there and since they have the hostages it’s them that Israel have to deal with." so Hamas are the ones who have to be convinced to agree to the ceasefire and to carry it into a lasting peace. If they are not onboard however lukewarm their enthusiasm is for it, they will forever claim in the future that they are still in a state of war.

If Hamas are to leave Palestine for the sake of peace, the IDF should also be required to leave, (Hamas are said to be considering making this a condition), and the planned administration should be completely non-military.

Hamas want peace and if they had been involved in the talks then there would have been more hope for peace.

AGAA4

Hamas want peace and if they had been involved in the talks then there would have been more hope for peace.

I agree, and really hope that is a lesson the negotiators are learning now, to move the discussions forward quickly to a point of common ground where a deal can be struck. At least some progress is possible at the moment.

Elegran

^"Hamas are the only remnants of government there and since they have the hostages it’s them that Israel have to deal with."^ so Hamas are the ones who have to be convinced to agree to the ceasefire and to carry it into a lasting peace. If they are not onboard however lukewarm their enthusiasm is for it, they will forever claim in the future that they are still in a state of war.

If Hamas are to leave Palestine for the sake of peace, the IDF should also be required to leave, (Hamas are said to be considering making this a condition), and the planned administration should be completely non-military.

Agree with this. A militarised zone manned by the IDF will only cause flash points and ongoing sporadic conflicts, there need to be peacekeepers utilised with no skin in the game.

The only way forward is for Hamas to disband and disarm, and a civilian authority with the power to control security established
Both sides need to feel, secure and an Arab force from neighbouring countries paid for by the US sounds a very good, starting point to rebuild Gaza.

The Israeli Government on the aid flotilla to Palestine has just started...it's happening right now.

Missing word - attack. The Israelis are attacking right now.

Europe officially welcomes the peace plan.

David49

The only way forward is for Hamas to disband and disarm, and a civilian authority with the power to control security established
Both sides need to feel, secure and an Arab force from neighbouring countries paid for by the US sounds a very good, starting point to rebuild Gaza.

That has already been decided in the framework.

But nothing will happen if the peace plan isn’t accepted.

So much depends on Hamas

AGAA4

It will be the Hamas leaders in Qatar who are considering this plan and it is they who should have been consulted when drawing it up.

No good reason those swine should be consulted about anything.
They haven’t much time to decide so they’d better be quick.
It will literally be their funeral otherwise.

No not their funeral. - Hamas leaders sitting in Doha are not on the firing line in Gaza. Unless of course Israel tries to take them out again in Doha which is unlikely after the last apology by Israel to Qatar. Oreo

Hamas must feel so in control with the world waiting their decisions

I doubt thatAnnie their organisation has been decimated and that's something to be celebrated and the Palestinian people are desperate for peace and want a normal life so their children can go to school and be fed properly etc. Hamas are being offered a peace deal that is almost impossible for them to accept but I doubt they want to continue fighting. As I've said in my previous post I believe that this deal is designed to give Trump a way out and Israel the green light to continue their slaughter of Palestinians, why would they agree to it?

What would they gain by ignoring the deal ?

ronib

No not their funeral. - Hamas leaders sitting in Doha are not on the firing line in Gaza. Unless of course Israel tries to take them out again in Doha which is unlikely after the last apology by Israel to Qatar. Oreo

The hamas in Gaza City are the ones to watch not the fat cat bosses in Doha.

Annie It's not about what they would gain, it's about what they would lose. Netanyahu has said very plainly to Israeli's that there will be no two state solution and the IDF will stay in most of Gaza, how can Hamas agree to a peace deal with Netanyahu saying that publicly? They can't!

Quote foxie48 Thu 02-Oct-25 08:42:13
Annie It's not about what they would gain, it's about what they would lose. Netanyahu has said very plainly to Israeli's that there will be no two state solution and the IDF will stay in most of Gaza, how can Hamas agree to a peace deal with Netanyahu saying that publicly? They can't!

They will still be the government if/there is a two state solution, so let the war continue

It's the Fat Cats in the Knesset that are most worrying. Netanyahu has already reneged on the agreement by saying that the IDF will remain in parts of Gaza if a peace deal is acceptable to Hamas.
Meanwhile in Gaza city the IDF have said they will treat anyone who is still there as terrorists and they will be killed. So those who have been unable to leave the elderly, sick and the family who won't leave them will be fair game to the IDF.