Trump to run Gaza with … Blair.

Just listened to TRIP on Gaza.

Oh dear - now feeling much less optimistic.

I will hope that some time in the future the Gazan people are able to self rule in Palestine. At the moment all they want is a chance to stay alive.

Netanyahu only has one more year before the elections and hopefully Israel will vote for a more moderate government. This extreme right wing government has done the country no good at all.

Yes, Wwm2 I have also listened to it and what most don't seem to know is what Netanyahu said in his speech to the Israelis in Hebrew. ie IDF to stay in most of Gaza and a definite no to a two state solution, just to mention a couple of things that are likely to prevent Hamas from accepting the deal! Looks increasingly like a stitch up to me. Trump's deal is vague on a lot of important issues and Netanyahu was busy listing all the strategies that would enable him to keep his right wingers on side. It's beyond sad!

The major issue for me is that contrary to what I understood, Hamas has not been involved in the plan.

So I can’t see how it will work.

Hamas are not supposed to accept this plan surely? My thinking is that Israel will then give itself the green light to demolish the tunnels and reconfigure Gaza as it sees fit. With Trump’s approval….

Whitewavemark2

The major issue for me is that contrary to what I understood, Hamas has not been involved in the plan.

So I can’t see how it will work.

Though not looked into it much, I too was wondering where Hamas was in all this.
Not much point people getting around a table, if Hamas not involved.

It’s being presented to hamas as an ultimatum, they can accept it and live or reject it and die.

DH thinks that it’s an act of diplomacy daring Iran and Qatar to continue to support Hamas when a peaceful solution has been offered. DH thinks that Qatar and Iran care about their reputations with the West whereas I doubt it very much.

Oreo

It’s being presented to hamas as an ultimatum, they can accept it and live or reject it and die.

And take the hostages with them?

And so presumably, Oreo can the hostages, the Palestinian people who have suffered so much already and yet more Israeli soldiers. The majority people of in Israel and Palestine want peace, Trump's "peace plan" looks increasingly like a get out for Trump and an agreement to let Israel continue to raze what is left of Gaza to the ground. I want to believe there's a possibility of peace but it's getting harder to imagine what that might look like!

It’s a last ditch plan and hamas can either accept or reject before the IDF close in on them.

The same Tony Blair who managed to get the Good Friday Agreement over the line?

ronib

Hamas are not supposed to accept this plan surely? My thinking is that Israel will then give itself the green light to demolish the tunnels and reconfigure Gaza as it sees fit. With Trump’s approval….

My thought too. If Hamas don't accept the Isreali's seem to be given carte blanche to do what they want. I don't think the War Department's meeting yesterday with the Top Generals was without a coded message either.

The point is that as well as not involving Hamas in the plan - this means that the Palestinians have not been consulted.

How on earth can you draw up a peace plan with just one side?

My optimism lasted nearly a whole day😡😡

The plan is very one sided and I believe Netanyahu knew when he agreed to it the Hamas is unlikely to agree to hand over all the hostages, lay down all their weapons and quietly leave Gaza. They know that Israel will find them wherever they go and kill them so they will be no better off by accepting this offer.
It's a win/ win situation for Israel whatever Hamas decide.

Whitewavemark2

My optimism lasted nearly a whole day😡😡

Yes, and I imagine Palestinians were even more hopeful that this would pan out.
😢

Whitewavemark2

The major issue for me is that contrary to what I understood, Hamas has not been involved in the plan.

So I can’t see how it will work.

Like the GFA without Sinn Fein.

Exactly that. Which is why I thought Blair’s involvement was so positive, as he brought the experience of GFA to the table.

It seems I was wrong.

Hamas is leaning towards peace deal if Israel withdraw from Gaza.

Quote Whitewavemark2 Wed 01-Oct-25 15:00:04
Exactly that. Which is why I thought Blair’s involvement was so positive, as he brought the experience of GFA to the table.

It seems I was wrong.

Sinn Feinn was involved in the GFA. IRA terrorists were not involved

Anniebach I think Sinn Fein represented the views of the IRA, rather like Hamas has a political and a terrorist wing, not that the IRA actually thought of themselves a "terrorists" more "freedom fighters". Rather like Hamas in fact. FWIW, I am not indicating support for either the IRA or Hamas before I get jumped on, just stating what I believe to be their position.

annie the point being that no one on the Palestinian side has been involved with the peace plan.

A peace plan is simply not possible with only one side drawing it up.

Quote foxie48 Wed 01-Oct-25 15:34:35
Anniebach I think Sinn Fein represented the views of the IRA, rather like Hamas has a political and a terrorist wing, not that the IRA actually thought of themselves a "terrorists" more "freedom fighters". Rather like Hamas in fact. FWIW, I am not indicating support for either the IRA or Hamas before I get jumped on, just stating what I believe to be their position.

Both wanted freedom for Northern Ireland, Hamas are not separate movements just one , the IRA bombed but didn’t rape , burn homes, sexually assault little ones or burn victims to death

Quote Whitewavemark2 Wed 01-Oct-25 15:41:30
annie the point being that no one on the Palestinian side has been involved with the peace plan.

A peace plan is simply not possible with only one side drawing it up.

Hamas has stated it wants to kill all Jews.

IRA nor Sinn Fein ever declared they wanted to kill all English