Manchester Synagogue Attack

The French authorities were sensible and never allowed any pro Palestinian marches there as they knew full well it would inflame things.
Here, we handed them not only matches but cans of petrol.
Jewish people in the UK and in other countries don’t cause any trouble at all and yet are hated by many and we can’t keep politics or religion out of this as they are entwined.We all know that.

Oreo

The French authorities were sensible and never allowed any pro Palestinian marches there as they knew full well it would inflame things.
Here, we handed them not only matches but cans of petrol.
Jewish people in the UK and in other countries don’t cause any trouble at all and yet are hated by many and we can’t keep politics or religion out of this as they are entwined.We all know that.

Today is not the day for blame, but mourning the victims.

It’s about both actually.

Late to this discussion, we are in mainland Europe with our Jewish friends, they are mortified…

Latest:
The Manchester synagogue terror attacker has been named as Jihad Al-Shamie a 35-year-old British citizen of Syrian descent.

Babs03

I really don’t think this thread is the place for angry comments aimed at any group.
Surely this horror should show us where anger and hatred can lead.

Absolutely Babs, I'm shocked at the anti muslim reaction on this thread. Both groups of peoples are under threat and there have been many mosque attacks or threats of.
We should condemning both. Its quite clearly related to the divisions over Gaza and the appalling situation there.

Oreo

It’s about both actually.

No! Until we know more about it you are jumping the gun. The complexities of history are writ large all over the long held hatreds and to whip up blame so early -

we don't know enough about the perpetrator to make these remarks and should know better than comment so early.

sunami

Oreo

The French authorities were sensible and never allowed any pro Palestinian marches there as they knew full well it would inflame things.
Here, we handed them not only matches but cans of petrol.
Jewish people in the UK and in other countries don’t cause any trouble at all and yet are hated by many and we can’t keep politics or religion out of this as they are entwined.We all know that.

Today is not the day for blame, but mourning the victims.

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and I am watching the news, and all are calling for calm, and against hatred as a response.

those gransnetters using this event as an opportunity to attack a different group of people when it could have been a "lone wolf" attack should hold their words and their own hatred.

Oh my goodness horrific scenes of pro palestine mobs rioting in cities across the country.

The killer is a Syrian terrorist who we took in. This is the danger of taking in people we know nothing about and who hate Jews.

I have just heard one of the leading Imans of this country peaking out against the hatred very strongly Primrose.

The news was quite clear.

The Syrian was not on the Terrorist Watch List

We do not yet know if he was a "terrorist" - or a madman. Do not rush to judgement. For heavens sake, dont stir it, time for sorrow and finding out the whole story.

Quote Wyllow3 Thu 02-Oct-25 21:52:48
Babs03
I really don’t think this thread is the place for angry comments aimed at any group.
Surely this horror should show us where anger and hatred can lead.
Absolutely Babs, I'm shocked at the anti muslim reaction on this thread. Both groups of peoples are under threat and there have been many mosque attacks or threats of.
We should condemning both. Its quite clearly related to the divisions over Gaza and the appalling situation there.

You are giving your opinion of a cause !

“ It is quite clearly related to the divisions over Gaza”.

“Do not rush to judgement.”

They’re both quotes from your posts above Wyllow.

I can see the contradiction there. Can you?

On the radio this afternoon I heard the comment that it is the determination of some to conflate the situation in Gaza with the Jewish community in Britain that has led to this attack.

It seems to me that by bringing Gaza into this thread, it might appear that this is what you have just done?

I think I'm stating the blatantly obvious actually.t

Thread after thread after thread on Gaza has spoken of the consequences and concerns about both communities as a result of it

No point burying heads in sand and pretending otherwise.

(If it's a "lone wolf" you need to look at the trigger points.)

Ah well. I hoped you might see your inconsistency if it was pointed out.

I won’t discuss anything more on this thread which is about the pain of Jewish people.

I simply don't agree with you that it is an inconsistency, Lathyrus3 - we'll have to disagree on that.

No one has any idea of the reasoning behind this man’s motives. Nor anything about him except that he was a British citizen “of Syrian” decent.

The perpetrator would almost certainly have had no idea what his victims felt or believed about anything in this world, except perhaps those of his apparent intended target and their belief in an ancient religion.

That is all.

His motives are at this time absolutely unknown. We may never know.

What we do know is that tragically two people were killed and others injured by an unprovoked attack carried out by what appears to be a group of 4-5 individuals.

Their motives may eventually be known, but just like other attacks of similar type, speculation is easy but pointless.

Our energies are better spent in caring for and loving our neighbours.

I have lived in Manchester since 1984 albeit on the other side of the city from what happened today. I have been involved in antiques since the 1960s and as a dealer have many Jewish associates and customers in the trade. I always found them to be a very honest people and good to do business with. My sympathies are with the Manchester Jewish community and all who have been affected by this horrible incident.

Good for the police for shooting and killing this dreadful apology for a human being. Here they would have held off and more would have been killed as in the siege in Sydney. There is a great deal of anti Semitism where I live, always has been but a lot worse since the war in Gaza. So very sad and difficult to comprehend.

My thoughts are with Jewish communities living in the UK. Also for the families and friends of the victims of this attack. I am very sad that this happened.

Wyllow3

I think I'm stating the blatantly obvious actually.t

Thread after thread after thread on Gaza has spoken of the consequences and concerns about both communities as a result of it

No point burying heads in sand and pretending otherwise.

Dead people are dead. They leave behind loved ones who will never be the same again, whether they are Jewish, Muslim, Atheist or Christian. They are people, so are one of us.

Whatever led up to this atrocity won’t have happened in the victims’ sitting rooms. They didn’t make it happen. They are just you or me, or the family next door. This hatred and ‘othering’ has to stop.

Doodledog

Wyllow3

I think I'm stating the blatantly obvious actually.t

Thread after thread after thread on Gaza has spoken of the consequences and concerns about both communities as a result of it

No point burying heads in sand and pretending otherwise.

Dead people are dead. They leave behind loved ones who will never be the same again, whether they are Jewish, Muslim, Atheist or Christian. They are people, so are one of us.

Whatever led up to this atrocity won’t have happened in the victims’ sitting rooms. They didn’t make it happen. They are just you or me, or the family next door. This hatred and ‘othering’ has to stop.

Hard to say what upset me more yesterday, news of the attack or some of the posts on here.

I seriously can't believe what some people write. This for example

The killer is a Syrian terrorist who we took in

Or minutes after the news came out, comments about mosques.

Please stop it.

The innocent Jewish people targeted in this attack in no way represent Netanyahu.
And the Killer in no way represents innocent Muslims.
If people want to stir the pot after this tragic loss of life, continuing with the kind of hatred that caused this, perhaps they could start another thread and allow people to mourn the dead and call for peace not division on this thread.

How would you describe him StripeyGran ?

I don’t know much about him.

Innocent Jews killed on their holiest day of the year brings about pro Palestine demonstrations.

Spare a minute to think about how all Jews are feeling in the UK right now…